Pennsylvania Department of Agriculture agent @ local farmers market...

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From what I can see they actually cost around 600k. That's a license to operate a Taxi company. Taxi driver is 15.00 to take the test. Lot's of money to be made in that business if you own the business. I wish the Gov would tell me the best way to wipe my butt though. Do you do that before or after you wash your hands?

Sorry. I for one am happy the gov regulates a lot of food items. I know how unscrupulous people can be. I don't buy the old market controlling it's own theory. Too many people have proven that it's a stupid theory. Look at Bernie Madhoff. Guess he wasn't too worried about his reputation or going out of business because he was a crook. Big business pays government to deregulate so they can do whatever they want. Look at all the people around you that are unemployed. That's what deregulation does.

Are you kidding me? You don't think big business is in bed with the Government? lmao Take a read... http://www.cato.org/research/articles/cpr28n4-1.html
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the CATO insitute for reference. Bernie Madhoff was a bad guy..yea there are some greedy people out there but did the Governments regulation really help in stopping him? No, absolutely not! Nor will more regulation prevent anything like that from happening again. So, blaming free market capitalism for that is ignorant. Deregulation frees up things so the regular guy can be an entrepeneur without a ton of red tape to go through and pay for. I know all this firsthand because I started up my small business 10 years ago. Trust me, we don't need more tax regs or any other regs....all they do is strangle small business owners like me.

The CATO institute is a right wing think tank. Created to propagate propaganda. Need something better than that for a reference. Deregulation doesn't free up anything for the vast majority of the population. It just puts more money in the pockets of the wealthy and allows unscrupulous people to take advantage of those less fortunate. They need to free up money for small business owners. Not regulations. As with everything in life a middle of the road approach is best. Regulation can be good and it can also be bad. I'm all for food regulation. I'm all for packaging regulations, electrical and building standards. All sorts of stuff that involves safety that would be short cutted by most business owners to make a buck. So I count on Uncle Sam to do what he can. I know from experience that people will do anything to save a buck.

BTW Madhoff was used as an example of someone not caring about the market since the "Market will regulate itself " BS is so often used to defend deregulation. I wasn't using him as an example of regulation. Read it more carefully next time. Without laws and regulations though people like him would be much more common.

If someone doesn't like regulations they should maybe try out someplace like Haiti. They didn't have any building codes down there. No regulations at all. A capitalist dream. Of course when the earthquake hit there weren't too many people left that didn't get squished by buildings that weren't built to withstand anything.

I do agree with the thought that most of Congress and 5 out of 9 Supreme Court justices currently sitting on the bench are in the pockets of Fortune 500 companies.
 
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Are you kidding me? You don't think big business is in bed with the Government? lmao Take a read... http://www.cato.org/research/articles/cpr28n4-1.html
Thats
the CATO insitute for reference. Bernie Madhoff was a bad guy..yea there are some greedy people out there but did the Governments regulation really help in stopping him? No, absolutely not! Nor will more regulation prevent anything like that from happening again. So, blaming free market capitalism for that is ignorant. Deregulation frees up things so the regular guy can be an entrepeneur without a ton of red tape to go through and pay for. I know all this firsthand because I started up my small business 10 years ago. Trust me, we don't need more tax regs or any other regs....all they do is strangle small business owners like me.

The CATO institute is a right wing think tank. Created to propagate propaganda. Need something better than that for a reference. Deregulation doesn't free up anything for the vast majority of the population. It just puts more money in the pockets of the wealthy and allows unscrupulous people to take advantage of those less fortunate. They need to free up money for small business owners. Not regulations. As with everything in life a middle of the road approach is best. Regulation can be good and it can also be bad. I'm all for food regulation. I'm all for packaging regulations, electrical and building standards. All sorts of stuff that involves safety that would be short cutted by most business owners to make a buck. So I count on Uncle Sam to do what he can. I know from experience that people will do anything to save a buck.

BTW Madhoff was used as an example of someone not caring about the market since the "Market will regulate itself " BS is so often used to defend deregulation. I wasn't using him as an example of regulation. Read it more carefully next time. Without laws and regulations though people like him would be much more common.

If someone doesn't like regulations they should maybe try out someplace like Haiti. They didn't have any building codes down there. No regulations at all. A capitalist dream. Of course when the earthquake hit there weren't too many people left that didn't get squished by buildings that weren't built to withstand anything.

I do agree with the thought that most of Congress and 5 out of 9 Supreme Court justices currently sitting on the bench are in the pockets of Fortune 500 companies.

well said. you usually state your side so reasonably. I may not always agree with you, but i appreciate your approach. ( more often than not I do agree with you.)
 
You can get a business license depending on your area around 200.00. I have one because I sell soap at local craft fairs in pa, but it is very specific, I can't decide to sell my eggs, goats milk though I may use the milk for my soap. I would need to buy another license. They want to make sure you use the local and state tax on your product so they get their piece of the pie.
 
IF it was "The Mafia" rather than "The Government"....

We'd call it a "Protection Racket".

-Junkmanme-
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I still say farmers should be able to sell any base food face to face with there customers unregulated. Regulations should only be imposed on sales that are not direct face to face transactions between the farmer an the consumer. That includes raw milk an ungraded eggs...
 
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I am going to disagree, the same as I did when the raw milk thread was up last week. Public safety when it comes to food items is a no brainer for me....If you want to grow stuff and eat it yourself with your own cleaning practices, so be it. I dont think I will have that same trust.

On a side note........when did our population become such a nation of skeptics? It seems like so many are so out of touch with reality to believe that any conspiracy theory of "the man" putting you down or screwing you over is accepted knowledge. Is it that people people cannot face the reality of what the world really is and would rather make up grandiose claims of how everything and everyone is out to get them? Or do people make such stuff up so they sound more intelligent because they read it off a website somewhere...I just dont know how anyone can go thru life being that paranoid that the govt, every business or anyone else is "OUT" to get me at the turn of every corner.......I guess I make a choice to be more positive than that.

Sorry, that was a real-rant.........I am not quoting or saying anyone in particular is like that. Its just an observation I have made over the last few years. Not trying to flame anyone or stir up trouble. Its just a valid question I have about sociological perceptions of our society...
Have a great day people!
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I am going to disagree, the same as I did when the raw milk thread was up last week. Public safety when it comes to food items is a no brainer for me....If you want to grow stuff and eat it yourself with your own cleaning practices, so be it. I dont think I will have that same trust.

See there the problem. You don't trust farmer X so you think I should not have the right to trust farmer X. I should Have the right to trust farmer X if I want an you should have the right not to an not buy from him.
 
I just think its better if farmer X has to follow a set of guidelines based on science for food safety for the good of all.
 
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Are you kidding me? You don't think big business is in bed with the Government? lmao Take a read... http://www.cato.org/research/articles/cpr28n4-1.html
Thats
the CATO insitute for reference. Bernie Madhoff was a bad guy..yea there are some greedy people out there but did the Governments regulation really help in stopping him? No, absolutely not! Nor will more regulation prevent anything like that from happening again. So, blaming free market capitalism for that is ignorant. Deregulation frees up things so the regular guy can be an entrepeneur without a ton of red tape to go through and pay for. I know all this firsthand because I started up my small business 10 years ago. Trust me, we don't need more tax regs or any other regs....all they do is strangle small business owners like me.

The CATO institute is a right wing think tank. Created to propagate propaganda. Need something better than that for a reference. Deregulation doesn't free up anything for the vast majority of the population. It just puts more money in the pockets of the wealthy and allows unscrupulous people to take advantage of those less fortunate. They need to free up money for small business owners. Not regulations. As with everything in life a middle of the road approach is best. Regulation can be good and it can also be bad. I'm all for food regulation. I'm all for packaging regulations, electrical and building standards. All sorts of stuff that involves safety that would be short cutted by most business owners to make a buck. So I count on Uncle Sam to do what he can. I know from experience that people will do anything to save a buck.

BTW Madhoff was used as an example of someone not caring about the market since the "Market will regulate itself " BS is so often used to defend deregulation. I wasn't using him as an example of regulation. Read it more carefully next time. Without laws and regulations though people like him would be much more common.

If someone doesn't like regulations they should maybe try out someplace like Haiti. They didn't have any building codes down there. No regulations at all. A capitalist dream. Of course when the earthquake hit there weren't too many people left that didn't get squished by buildings that weren't built to withstand anything.

I do agree with the thought that most of Congress and 5 out of 9 Supreme Court justices currently sitting on the bench are in the pockets of Fortune 500 companies.

Someone who compares Haiti to a "Capitalists dream" isn't even worth talking to. Ludicrous statements like that deserve no rebuttle. I love how you most likely didn't read the article and just ASSUMED its republican propoganda. I know this because you didn't dissprove facts, you tried character assination of the company that published the article. Sad, very sad.

So, we both agree that big business pays for regulations as stated here "I do agree with the thought that most of Congress and 5 out of 9 Supreme Court justices currently sitting on the bench are in the pockets of Fortune 500 companies" but you think that those SAME regulations are what saves the preverbial "little guy" from those same companies? HYPOCRITICAL

Bernie Madhoff can be used BOTH ways THATS my point! Thats why it is stupid to use him to propagate your view.

It's very very sad how people are so reliant on Government these days that they can't do ANYTHING for themselves anymore. Which brings us back to the original point instead of preventing E Coli by washing there hands/food and cooking it right, people want government to regulate it. We actually have a small farmers market in the small town I live in, none of its regulated OH MY! I buy MANY MANY UNREGULATED fruits and veggies and even those terribly diseased eggs! Anyways, not me or my family has EVER gotten sick or E Coli because we TRUST the farmers around here, we know most of them too.

I live somewhere that proves my point beyond anything that you can say. Texas is the biggest example of free market philosophy and capitalism at its best. Nearly as many jobs this year as all the states combined. We actually don't get breast fed by the Government down here. Or do you think all our regulation is why we thrive? I can assure you, we have the LEAST regulation of ANY state in regards to business (Including Union regulation).
 
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