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Pyxis said:
As someone who breeds show poultry, ouch :p Though the chickens I show are selected for traits that ensure soundness and production, or in the case of my bantams, a certain fierce look, but it's not detrimental to the birds. And chickens as a rule aren't as inbred as dogs, etc. There's no such thing as a pedigree in the chicken world. You can cross in whatever you want, and as long as you get it back looking like the Standard, then it's considered whatever breed it looks like, even if four generations ago its ancestors were technically mutts.
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What you are breeding for isn't what I have any issue with! In fact it is nice to hear that chicken breeding is not following the same lines as that of dog breeding which is extreme inbreeding. If it involves outcrossing, that's going to produce healthy animals.

WVduckchick said:
I love my Pug. :plbb
:lau
But to each their own on what they like and don’t like. I personally don’t see having a permanent house chicken, duck, goose, or pigeon, but I will bring them inside when necessary. They weren’t bred to be indoor birds. I also don’t think one should keep a flock animal alone, but folks do it all the time, so that’s just my opinion.
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The only breeds I don't like and don't want to see bred are the breeds which perpetuate harmful deformities. This doesn't mean culling the animals already here, they need homes and love of course, and it doesn't even mean preventing them from breeding but it does mean not selecting for traits once they cause distress. It usually means outcrossing to a more structurally sound animal a few times. Modern pugs have a ton of health issues related to their short faces but cross one with another dog breed with a snout and you get pretty healthy and still very cute mixes. There is a movement to breed back a more traditional pug this way, to produce a new standardized line with a healthy snout length but which is otherwise all pug, that I wholeheartedly support.

To the second point, pigeons are a truly domesticated bird. They are, if not ideal, still many times better suited as house pets than almost all more traditional house birds of similar size, such as nearly any member of the parrot family, which are very much wild animals only a few generations removed from their natural habitat. I could maybe see myself with a house chicken, of a tiny breed. Now, house ducks, or geese? No, not in a million years for me! I think that their semi-aquatic nature means an indoor environment is not very well suited to them, but it can be done with a very, very devoted owner and the right bird.

Most birds would in an ideal world choose to live with other birds, and I normally try to keep birds in pairs, parrots especially, but pigeons do seem to adapt better to being an only bird, they certainly do not develop the harmful neurotic behaviors which single parrots are so prone to because they just seem to need less stimulation. Still plenty, mind you, but a more reasonable amount for a person to provide. For now Olive is a single bird and all signs point to her being content with it, as she is very human social, but if her behavior suggested this was not sufficient for her then that would have to change.
 
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Serin said:
What you are breeding for isn't what I have any issue with! In fact it is nice to hear that chicken breeding is not following the same lines as that of dog breeding which is extreme inbreeding. If it involves outcrossing, that's going to produce healthy animals.



The only breeds I don't like and don't want to see bred are the breeds which perpetuate harmful deformities. This doesn't mean culling the animals already here, they need homes and love of course, and it doesn't even mean preventing them from breeding but it does mean not selecting for traits once they cause distress. It usually means outcrossing to a more structurally sound animal a few times. Modern pugs have a ton of health issues related to their short faces but cross one with another dog breed with a snout and you get pretty healthy and still very cute mixes. There is a movement to breed back a more traditional pug this way, to produce a new standardized line with a healthy snout length but which is otherwise all pug, that I wholeheartedly support.

To the second point, pigeons are a truly domesticated bird. They are, if not ideal, still many times better suited as house pets than almost all more traditional house birds of similar size, such as nearly any member of the parrot family, which are very much wild animals only a few generations removed from their natural habitat. I could maybe see myself with a house chicken, of a tiny breed. Now, house ducks, or geese? No, not in a million years for me! I think that their semi-aquatic nature means an indoor environment is not very well suited to them, but it can be done with a very, very devoted owner and the right bird.

Most birds would in an ideal world choose to live with other birds, and I normally try to keep birds in pairs, parrots especially, but pigeons do seem to adapt better to being an only bird, they certainly do not develop the harmful neurotic behaviors which single parrots are so prone to because they just seem to need less stimulation. Still plenty, mind you, but a more reasonable amount for a person to provide. For now Olive is a single bird and all signs point to her being content with it, as she is very human social, but if her behavior suggested this was not sufficient for her then that would have to change.
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Very well written!
 
Serin said:
What you are breeding for isn't what I have any issue with! In fact it is nice to hear that chicken breeding is not following the same lines as that of dog breeding which is extreme inbreeding. If it involves outcrossing, that's going to produce healthy animals.



The only breeds I don't like and don't want to see bred are the breeds which perpetuate harmful deformities. This doesn't mean culling the animals already here, they need homes and love of course, and it doesn't even mean preventing them from breeding but it does mean not selecting for traits once they cause distress. It usually means outcrossing to a more structurally sound animal a few times. Modern pugs have a ton of health issues related to their short faces but cross one with another dog breed with a snout and you get pretty healthy and still very cute mixes. There is a movement to breed back a more traditional pug this way, to produce a new standardized line with a healthy snout length but which is otherwise all pug, that I wholeheartedly support.

To the second point, pigeons are a truly domesticated bird. They are, if not ideal, still many times better suited as house pets than almost all more traditional house birds of similar size, such as nearly any member of the parrot family, which are very much wild animals only a few generations removed from their natural habitat. I could maybe see myself with a house chicken, of a tiny breed. Now, house ducks, or geese? No, not in a million years for me! I think that their semi-aquatic nature means an indoor environment is not very well suited to them, but it can be done with a very, very devoted owner and the right bird.

Most birds would in an ideal world choose to live with other birds, and I normally try to keep birds in pairs, parrots especially, but pigeons do seem to adapt better to being an only bird, they certainly do not develop the harmful neurotic behaviors which single parrots are so prone to because they just seem to need less stimulation. Still plenty, mind you, but a more reasonable amount for a person to provide. For now Olive is a single bird and all signs point to her being content with it, as she is very human social, but if her behavior suggested this was not sufficient for her then that would have to change.
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Well done! :goodpost: :love
 
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