Pigeon Talk

[Pigeon28]

I talked to the person I got the pigeons from and he said he has had issues this year also, first time ever. Could this mean that if they have pmv or paratyphoid that they could have gotten it from the parents and had it all along?

 

[biophiliac]

Ash Red is dominant and being a base colour it's also sex linked, so you should end up with the Ash Red mom giving her gene to the sons and her lack of gene to the daughters, meaning they'll get the blue gene from dad (and the ash red cock sons should carry blue) Are you sure your Ash Red hen is Ash Red and not Recessive Red or a type of Bronze or possibly Almond? : D I hope I explained that right, its hard when I can't draw it out haha

Ash Red cock to a Blue hen would also give you the results that you've gotten (Ash Red Cocks and Hens, as well as Blue Cocks and blue hens! Perfect pairing if you ask me! : D)

That is correct. You had it backwards on the other post where you said

Ash Red Hen x Black (blue spread) Cock would give you

-Ash Red Hens and Blue Cocks
-50-100% Spread

So you should have at least a decent chance of breeding it with that pair : D

 

[Northwest_Wannabe]

That is correct. You had it backwards on the other post where you said

oops! I totally flipped that haha, thanks for pointing it out I'll go edit that now!

 

[biophiliac]

oops! I totally flipped that haha, thanks for pointing it out I'll go edit that now!

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That's what I figured. Aside from that you sound like you know what you're talking about.

 

[backyard pigeons]

50-100% Spread

do you mean a bird can be half spread, or that there's a 50-100% chance of getting red ash spread?

I was taught differently I think unless I'm reading this wrong, I was taught that Silver is just another name for an Ash Red Bar/Check commonly used in Homers? Cause I've got a friend who keeps and breeds Dilute Blue Bars (Silvers) and they're not red barred, they're a light grey bar : ) Sorry if I read this wrong!

here's the color im calling silver: more commonly called red bar, though that isn't even a correct color.

I dont know the silver you're talking about... Well, I'm sure I do, but there's ten different names for every pigeon color!


But I won't be using him... I will be using this black male and this hen:

 

[biophiliac]

I talked to the person I got the pigeons from and he said he has had issues this year also, first time ever. Could this mean that if they have pmv or paratyphoid that they could have gotten it from the parents and had it all along?

Yes, I believe it does mean that.

 

[biophiliac]

do you mean a bird can be half spread, or that there's a 50-100% chance of getting red ash spread?
here's the color im calling silver: more commonly called red bar, though that isn't even a correct color. View attachment 2268061



I dont know the silver you're talking about... Well, I'm sure I do, but there's ten different names for every pigeon color!


But I won't be using him... I will be using this black male and this hen: View attachment 2268066View attachment 2268067

I don't understand why you say the ash red bar is not a correct color? Bar pattern or check pattern, it's the same color. .
Edit add- I believe spread is dominant.

 

[Northwest_Wannabe]

do you mean a bird can be half spread, or that there's a 50-100% chance of getting red ash spread?
here's the color im calling silver: more commonly called red bar, though that isn't even a correct color. View attachment 2268061



I dont know the silver you're talking about... Well, I'm sure I do, but there's ten different names for every pigeon color!


But I won't be using him... I will be using this black male and this hen: View attachment 2268066View attachment 2268067

I mean a 50 to 100% chance of the chicks having the spread gene, depends on what the spread parent has (homo or hetero) I should have been more clear, sorry! : DI avoid names and nicknames for colours if possible and stick to what they're called for genetics : ) Can you show me where you learned that theres no such thing as an 'ash red bar' and that a dilute blue bird has red bars? I've never seen or heard of this, I owned an ash red bar who bred as an ash red bar would expect to (an ash red bird but with the wildtype bar marking), so has my friend who also Dilute Blues (silvers) and they're just pale blue : )

 

[Northwest_Wannabe]

I don't understand why you say the ash red bar is not a correct color? Bar pattern or check pattern, it's the same color. .
Edit add- I believe spread is dominant.

Spread is dominant It's really handy cause spread/solid/self colours can be gorgeous but it only took one year for the gene to run rampant in my rollers and now its hard to get rid of haha! : D I love blue spreads/blacks though, the way the black shines oo I love it <3

 

[backyard pigeons]

I don't understand why you say the ash red bar is not a correct color? Bar pattern or check pattern, it's the same color. .
Edit add- I believe spread is dominant.

okay. I am probably wrong. Sorry!!! But I learned it from a local genetic expert. He said that ash red bar isn't a color, as it is referring to birds that have red bars. But when we see a blue bar, we are referring to a blue bird with black bars. And red bar birds ...... I'm now confused why he was saying this. Next time I see him I'll ask.... I am sorry for ALL the cunfusion.

Can you show me where you learned that theres no such thing as an 'ash red bar' and that a dilute blue bird has red bars?

Okay... See above qoute... I learned it from a local genetics expert.

Here is where I was getting cunfused: the normal silver I'm referring to isn't the correct silver. The correct silver is a dilute blue bar, which will still have bars. And the bird I just posted "IS a red bar " I'm so sorry for all the confusion ! Thanks for schooling me! Here is a link that explain it better. Scroll down to the dilute section. https://www.google.com/url?q=http:/...FjANegQIAhAB&usg=AOvVaw3qteM0_Z4c2iwOQR5OLSKP