Pit Bull "Mix" targeted for triple S

[galanie]

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Yes, as a matter of fact, it is. Do you think the owner of said chickens can get damages from the dog? Can the dog make sure he acts in accordance with laws and common decency? No. But the owner can. Yes, it is the owners fault, no matter what the dog does if it does it on someone else's property. Whatever said dog does on the owner's property is not anyone else's concern. Certainly no one would come here screaming cause their own dog killed their own chickens, would they?

Yes, some are 'born that way.' But it is still the owner's fault if that dog gets out and does damage to another person's property. I personally don't have a dog, will not have one, no matter it's temperament. I don't hate them at all. As long as they belong to someone else, and don't damage my property or drive me nuts with incessant barking (which is ALWAYS caused by the owner - namely not giving the attention they need), I like them fine.

I understand you're responding to someone who suggested SSS the owner, but think. The owner is ultimately responsible for whatever the dog does. It may not be the dog's fault if it's a lousy dog, but only the owner can do anything about it. Be that put the dog down, train it, or whatever.

 

[babalubird]

I'm with you. I had drugdealers next to me for years with those darn dogs. They'd let them dig into my yard to threaten my dogs and the one would charge me around 4 a.m. when I'd come home from work trying to get from my car to my house. I'd complain to the city. It would take them two hours to come out only after they had the dog contained again. Then they'd say I had to prove it and probably take them to civil court since they could do nothing. I know there are some that are cherished, well-behaved pets, but I've only met one nice pit bull and way too many in the other category.

I hope you can end your problem with that dog any way possible. Much luck to you.

Connie

 

[Beekissed]

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Yes, as a matter of fact, it is. Do you think the owner of said chickens can get damages from the dog? Can the dog make sure he acts in accordance with laws and common decency? No. But the owner can. Yes, it is the owners fault, no matter what the dog does if it does it on someone else's property. Whatever said dog does on the owner's property is not anyone else's concern. Certainly no one would come here screaming cause their own dog killed their own chickens, would they?

Yes, some are 'born that way.' But it is still the owner's fault if that dog gets out and does damage to another person's property. I personally don't have a dog, will not have one, no matter it's temperament. I don't hate them at all. As long as they belong to someone else, and don't damage my property or drive me nuts with incessant barking (which is ALWAYS caused by the owner - namely not giving the attention they need), I like them fine.

I understand you're responding to someone who suggested SSS the owner, but think. The owner is ultimately responsible for whatever the dog does. It may not be the dog's fault if it's a lousy dog, but only the owner can do anything about it. Be that put the dog down, train it, or whatever.

I kind of think you missed my point. Yes, I feel it is always the owner's responsibility if they couldn't contain their dog and it kills chickens. But is it exactly their fault if the dog actually kills chickens? Some dogs get loose and never kill another animal, some kill everything they see, some just drag your trash around and make a mess. What I was trying to say is that some dogs are just born for destruction and cannot, will not be trained out of it no matter what one tries. Is that always the owner's fault if the dog cannot be trained out of that behaviour? I don't believe so. There are many who try everything in their arsenal to train a certain dog to leave livestock alone and do not succeed. Does that mean they should be shot because they are not Cesar Milan with the dogs?

Nope. I'm with you...it is every dog owner's responsibility to own up to their dog's problems, whether they can be trained out of them or not. Yes, I feel it's the owner's financial obligation to repay for damages. No, I don't feel one is a "bad owner" just because they cannot, after having tried, to train a dog out of killing. If they cannot contain said animal, then that animal needs to be put down...not passed on to the pound so that one more unsuspecting person gets a dog that has a cute face and an engaging wagging tail, but is a one dog destruction crew.

 

[Luvroos]

I know, I'd take care of that dog the best way possible, immediately if not sooner! And I'm not sure that I agree that it's 100% the owners fault! I've had dogs for many years while noticing that females of certain breeds have a tendency to ignore commands regardless of how well trained she is and males are just the opposite, better mannered. I also agree that I myself would not trust a pit for nothing in which to regard their dedicated professional training and so forth. I were given an older spayed female pit that were well behaved and mannered, never faught another dog in her life, she were either 3 or 4, I don't remember now, got along well with most all other dogs. I sent her to the pound because she could not play with my other dog without pinning him to the ground by sitting on him and going for his throat each and every time. That's the thing with them, they are pretty much unpredictable and you just never know when they might turn. If the dog has bitten a child, euthanize it! Never know when it might decide to maul the child to hospitalization points and or if not a child then an older senior citizen that barely gets around!

My nephew had 3 pits living in his house with 5 kids! They had gone out for a while and when they came back their house were covered with blood, he raised them together from puppy's however the male had ended killing one of the females. Can you imagine the trauma that those kids went through when they walked in the door because they were pit bulls/ staffordshire terriers.

 

[chick-in-florida]

i say never trust a pit bull or any other dog for that matter. my golden retriever was attacked not once but twice in one year by a neighborhood pit bull loose and in my own yard. had to take the guy to court to get damages. the second time they had the dog put down (supposedly) but they turned around and bought another one. those things can climb fences too. a couple years earlier another pit bull climbed our fence and killed our beloved rabbit who thought she was a dog and unfortunately had learned to go out the doggie door to the yard. i so wanted to kill that dog. animal control is worthless around here.

 

[Whiskey Bay]

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I've done it many times.I have and have had APBT/AST for 20+ years.I bred/shown/rescued/rehabbed and yes even euthanized them myself(when I had rescues or S.O./A.C. Seized dogs. I have always been know throughout the southern part of the state for working with the dogs. My husband has always had gamefowl and I Old English bantams along with our layers.I have had a problem with one dog which was actually the ACW's fault cause he couldn't contain the dog. I have had MANY problems with neighbor dogs of all other breeds. My poultry is an extension of my livestock,therefore I am always within my boundaries when I bag em and tag em. I put them out with the rest of the trash. If I EVER had a dog even show much as raised a hackle at someone,they were disposed of. The dogs of today are the product of the humans they are stuck with. Even the dogs of the old time gamers ('pit' dogs) were not human aggressive.Dogs who began showing these traits,even as mere pups, were culled as man eaters.Why? Because when you are in the 'pit' you have to handle your dog.When you have a maneater,obviously you can't handle him,he will turn on you too. Please don't blame the dog,blame the owner for allowing it to happen.If the dog was a 90 pounder as you say,he wasn't a purebred APBT. He would have been a bully bred dog. Yes there is a difference.

If the dog comes back,handle it. Self Defense. They dog lunged at you when you hollered at him.period.

 

[centrarchid]

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I've done it many times.I have and have had APBT/AST for 20+ years.I bred/shown/rescued/rehabbed and yes even euthanized them myself(when I had rescues or S.O./A.C. Seized dogs. I have always been know throughout the southern part of the state for working with the dogs. My husband has always had gamefowl and I Old English bantams along with our layers.I have had a problem with one dog which was actually the ACW's fault cause he couldn't contain the dog. I have had MANY problems with neighbor dogs of all other breeds. My poultry is an extension of my livestock,therefore I am always within my boundaries when I bag em and tag em. I put them out with the rest of the trash. If I EVER had a dog even show much as raised a hackle at someone,they were disposed of. The dogs of today are the product of the humans they are stuck with. Even the dogs of the old time gamers ('pit' dogs) were not human aggressive.Dogs who began showing these traits,even as mere pups, were culled as man eaters.Why? Because when you are in the 'pit' you have to handle your dog.When you have a maneater,obviously you can't handle him,he will turn on you too. Please don't blame the dog,blame the owner for allowing it to happen.If the dog was a 90 pounder as you say,he wasn't a purebred APBT. He would have been a bully bred dog. Yes there is a difference.

If the dog comes back,handle it. Self Defense. They dog lunged at you when you hollered at him.period.

I think you are correct, dog not pure, has something else in it resulting shorter rounder head and taller frame. Boxer or mastiff maybe. It is not practical to wait for return as escapement infrequent. Dog did wisen my birds to threat of dogs but neighbors waterfowl likely to take brunt of future attacks owing to his birds between my place and dog owner's.

 

[Whiskey Bay]

Just thought I would give an example of what I'm talking about.The first pic is a 2yr old male demonstrating the true APBT form.Which by the way is standard for dogs to be under 45lbs not to exceed however 55lbs. The newer bred APBT is not being bred to true standard.These people are breeding for the 3 B's....BIG,BLUE,and BULLY.They want the Pitbull name but a more massive looking dog like a rott. The second picture is an example of the interbreeding done by "breeders" to add size and shape.and they come bigger than this.It was just a pic on hand.The dog in the top pic grew up with and protected everything from cats to chickens to squirrels. (He was mine RIP). Pic 2 I wouldn't trust with a shih tzu.

 

[centrarchid]

Dog in question looks like a cross between pit bull and brindled boxer although size too large as boxers not much larger than pit bull. If mastiff involved, then it is poorly fed animal. Chest is very broad. It is poorly fed. Animal may not repressent an original cross.

 

[Whiskey Bay]

It's always been a quote around here,but one of my favorites... "Cross the line,your azz is mine"...... That's what I'd be saying to the mixed up dog. He's dangerous no matter what screwed up shack up he is.