Political Ramblings

[Capvin]

As a side note to these gun discussions I have a point to make regarding the NRA. I am a gun owner, I personally carry, and I am a staunch supporter of all 2nd amendment rights. For many years I was a member of NRA but this past year I let my membership lapse because I felt that they had become an arm of the Republican Party and, therefor, for me they became irrelevant. Many democrats, like me, are supporters of gun rights but when the only object of the NRA is one sided politics then I can not support the NRA. 2nd amendment rights should be a non partisan effort.

 

[rebelcowboysnb]

Quote: People keep forgetting that the job of LEO in the US is only to be seen an to investigate crimes that have already happened. There is no "protect an serve" requirement. Protecting your self from a crime is your job an always has been in the US.. Hunting down criminals on the other hand is not your job but LEOs.


As for tax stamped weapons... That is a class system. The gun permits were started to keep blacks from having guns an so were the tax stamp system. Now $200 is not allot any more but the 10s of 1000s of $ these guns now cost is allot. Only the wealthy can have them. Not that I could afford to feed a belt feed gun but regulating some guns out of most people price range is not gun control, it is class control.

 

[Wynette]

Folks - I've spent some time cleaning this thread, and prefer to not do so again.

Please be considerate with your posts. Re-read them before posting, and remember which thread you are in. Emotions are on "high alert" with subjects such as this. It's fine to have an opinion, but your delivery method needs to be helpful and not inflammatory.

Thanks.

 

[duckinnut]

The fact that someone's home was being broken into and it took 45 minutes for the police to arrive, doesn't argue the case for guns but the case for better policing!

That may be in part true but it is not the job of the police to protect your life and property,period. Their function is to provide public safety for the greater good, that's all. There was a case a few years back, don't remember all the particulars but the home owner was suing the police dept. for failure to protect him or his property with a lack of response time. The superior court judge ruled that it was not the polices job. I have to dig and see if I can find the story.

 

[rebelcowboysnb]

Quote: There are lots of these cases. The one that is quoted the most is a rape case. men broke in to a home an tied up two women. The cops were called from the beginning but when the cops arrived they knocked on the door an after no response they left.

 

[cupman]

Cupman, the 2nd is not about owning a hunting rifle... or any other gun it is a right guaranteed by our Constitution. Nobody is telling you to own a gun but that you have a right to if you so choose.including the NRA. It is no different than the other rights afforded you by the same document. I am not a member of the NRA for personal reasons but despite your negative characterization of it's members they are not such a base that needs rallying. You have a narrow understanding of what the NRA actually does and should not rely on talking points.

The king of talking points telling me not to rely on talking points? I know exactly what the NRA does. Look at the California Condor and dozens of cases just like it. I've made my views on gun control clear in one of the other 95 threads about gun control on BYC. I don't believe in it, the cats out of the bag. And hemet_dennis, who says you need a fully automatic for self defense? Maybe you and your buds just want to drink PBR and go possum hunting out of the back of your pickup late at night. Also you should really learn how to quote better, I don't remember saying anything about Mexican gangs.

 

[chickened]

Established in 1990, the NRA Foundation, Inc., is a 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organization that raises tax-deductible contributions in support of a wide range of firearms-related public interest activities of the National Rifle Association of America and other organizations that defend and foster the Second Amendment rights of all law-abiding Americans. These activities are designed to promote firearms and hunting safety, to enhance marksmanship skills of those participating in the shooting sports, and to educate the general public about firearms in their historic, technological and artistic context.



To protect the Second Amendment right to bear arms, and to promote safe, responsible, and competent use of firearms. (from the NRA webpage)

 

[chickened]

The king of talking points telling me not to rely on talking points? I know exactly what the NRA does. Look at the California Condor and dozens of cases just like it. I've made my views on gun control clear in one of the other 95 threads about gun control on BYC. I don't believe in it, the cats out of the bag. And hemet_dennis, who says you need a fully automatic for self defense? Maybe you and your buds just want to drink PBR and go possum hunting out of the back of your pickup late at night. Also you should really learn how to quote better, I don't remember saying anything about Mexican gangs.

If the law of the land says I can bear arms who are you or anyone to say what I can own or not own? If I use them for my pursuit of happiness and am responsible for them why should I surrender that right? That would be like being punished for a crime I may commit and I am sure Capvin would agree that would be denial of due process as I beleive you must have some evidence of a crime before you can be charged with one. But then again some would have that right taken away also.

 

[newfoundland]

I always believed that it was the job of the police to uphold the law. Therefore if a crime is being committed, such as a house breaking, the police do have the responsibility to respond in sufficient time to hopefully catch the intruders in the act. Isn't that what the rapid response until does? If things go wrong because of a failure to respond promptly and adequately is there not a police complaints procedure and would there not be a formal inquiry? Surely senior heads would roll if the inquiry determined that police procedure was sloppy.

 

[rebelcowboysnb]

I always believed that it was the job of the police to uphold the law. Therefore if a crime is being committed, such as a house breaking, the police do have the responsibility to respond in sufficient time to hopefully catch the intruders in the act. Isn't that what the rapid response until does? If things go wrong because of a failure to respond promptly and adequately is there not a police complaints procedure and would there not be a formal inquiry? Surely senior heads would roll if the inquiry determined that police procedure was sloppy.

Nope, not in the US anyway. There are lots of great cops that try to stop crime but that's not the job. That is going above an beyond the call of duty.

Think about it. Even a good response time in the city is counted in minutes. Even if someone calls right at the start, by the time the dispatcher can get the info they need an the relay it to a LEO, most crimes are over. I hear Atlanta response times being quoted in the 20 minute range. 7 to 10 minutes is normal here. Bryant AL can be over an hour.

As the saying goes, "when seconds count, LEO is only minutes away."

LEO stopping a crime or getting to a scene before it is over is the exception rather than the rule. Usually cause the criminal takes to long or stays for some reason.