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for a 4 month old, he's sure looking like a keeper. Unless they are just a mess, never cull one til they are around 2. Some times slow feathering first year birds will be awesome after their first adult molt, all depends on the lines... but he's looking good right out the gate


mopargal1972 said:
Hello everyone. Just wanted your opinion on one of my 4 month old Phoenix bantam cockerels. Keeper?




My 4 year old wanted to "help" show him off!
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Here I am again with more questions...lol. As most of you know, I have a white rooster from Cy Hyde who is in with my black LF hen from Toni-Marie Austin. He is also in with 2 white hens, a lavender hen, and a silver birchen hen. I have hatched 13 chicks from these birds and every one has been white. So, I assumed that my rooster was dominant white. Well, I have eggs in lockdown right now and one of the black hen's eggs just hatched a black chick! So what does this mean?
 
They are all carrying rec. white... Or, possibly only those carrying it have been laying....How many eggs a day were you picking up? It could of been that only the white hens were laying?
 
sorry, misunderstood. Sleep deprivation sucks...lol. I have hatched a few of her other eggs and the chicks were white. So now I wonder what his white is masking. Aubrey had told me once that Cys Whites were a recessive cream pyle. I have no idea what that is...lol
 
most chicks based on E (extened black) will be black when born. Do you have a silver duckwing hen? I will illustrate.. Also, it is difficult to tell and E hen with absent melanizers from a true Birchen (ER).. However the Birchen will have a very laced breast not just colored hackles.. The chicks are much easier to tell on.. Illustration..

Even if he were a duckwing and you bred him to a black hen, the chick would come out looking black.. but would develop color later, It would look similar to a birchen later on.. I would get a silver hen and breed him to her.. That would tell you exactly what your white rooster is.. Another way to guess is ....
Do the white chicks have spots on the back of the head? If so, what color. Cy raises kriner whites that are based on bbred and also has another recessive white.. One is green/blue legged (kriners) the other will have yellow or white legs.. If the chicks have red dots, they are some form of duckwing based generally.. If the dot is Black, there is black or birchen in them, and if the dot is blue, it is blue in some form.. The cream recessive comes from the kriner whites and is a white with autosomal red breaking through... Cy actually brought bantam phoenix in from Germany with L. Stromberg that threw red gingers and these birds were culled out of the lines early on.. It is rumored that the cream birds are an outcrop of those ginger birds who are said to have maybe been pumpkin, but I have not actually viewed one of the original birds that was imported.. I just know Cy's account as he told a friend..
 
onagadori said:
most chicks based on E (extened black) will be black when born. Do you have a silver duckwing hen? I will illustrate.. Also, it is difficult to tell and E hen with absent melanizers from a true Birchen (ER).. However the Birchen will have a very laced breast not just colored hackles.. The chicks are much easier to tell on.. Illustration..

Even if he were a duckwing and you bred him to a black hen, the chick would come out looking black.. but would develop color later, It would look similar to a birchen later on.. I would get a silver hen and breed him to her.. That would tell you exactly what your white rooster is.. Another way to guess is ....
Do the white chicks have spots on the back of the head? If so, what color. Cy raises kriner whites that are based on bbred and also has another recessive white.. One is green/blue legged (kriners) the other will have yellow or white legs.. If the chicks have red dots, they are some form of duckwing based generally.. If the dot is Black, there is black or birchen in them, and if the dot is blue, it is blue in some form.. The cream recessive comes from the kriner whites and is a white with autosomal red breaking through... Cy actually brought bantam phoenix in from Germany with L. Stromberg that threw red gingers and these birds were culled out of the lines early on.. It is rumored that the cream birds are an outcrop of those ginger birds who are said to have maybe been pumpkin, but I have not actually viewed one of the original birds that was imported.. I just know Cy's account as he told a friend..
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Wow, you really know your stuff...lol. I do not have a silver hen. As far as I can see, all my white chicks have hatched yellow with no spots. My rooster has willow legs and all of my chicks so far have had slate legs. I will look closely at these chicks when they are dry just to make sure that they have no spots. Thank you!
 
just to throw one more nitch in the figuring, Toni's Lf blacks arent a true Ext black. That's why only the hens are solid black and the males have the red leakage. Even some of the pullets I have hatched have a touch of it. So that coupled with the Cy male adds a bit more to it all.

Like Amanda said, the easiest way to tell is take a silver duckwing and breed to your Cy white. Going off this particular line of blacks will give too many variables
 

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