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[Toni-Marie]

Hmmm That is odd..Because you can not get a dominant white bird out of recessive car ring parents..(SO the books say). "But" you know I've learned over the last 40 or more years "stranger thing has happened".. So if you say you had NO dominant white birds at the time I believe you... I have lots a Pyles also but mine I got the old way by Dom white X duck-wing... Let me know if you need anything in the fall IF you have your pens fixed so that nothing gets in to kill anything...TM

 

[flyingmonkeypoop]

Most of the predator deaths were due to a certain neighbors pet which has been taken care of. Like I always say, the birds don't read the books when it comes to what they're supposed to do (like broody leghorns). Seems like dominant white has to have popped up somehow, maybe this is just one of those mutations.
I plan to breed the pullets to a light brown rooster in the spring to see what it breeds like. I should get either red pyle pullets/light brown pullets and silver pyle (white) or brassy silver cockerels. I would love it if I could get both pyle and normal colored birds from the same mating. If I just get all duckwing types, I'll know that it isn't dominant white and these birds are just a fluke

 

[Toni-Marie]

Did you even own a dominant white bird back then when you were breeding those birds?.Just curious... If you say no I believe you. You seem to have a good reputation..No mix ups.....TM

 

[flyingmonkeypoop]

I don't think we've ever had any dominant white birds on the place, the white wyandottes we had were always silver based and those would be super easy to tell if they had crossed with a phoenix.

 

[Toni-Marie]

Yes you would most likely no...By any chance did anything have those Yoko genes? They have been know to do that so I here...More food for thought is can 2 recessives combine?..Like rec white turning into pyle?..They say no but anything with yoko genes is another story..TM

 

[flyingmonkeypoop]

No yoko genes that I know of. We got the whole flock from Myron Berger and he had them for awhile, who knows what they could have in them really. If anything was ever crossed in, I'd say leghorn just based on the overall type of them and the egg production but all the birds we have all trace back to the silver phoenix hen. The golden rooster we bred her to is her son out of her with a light brown rooster. We mated them together and got the white rooster that we mated back to the silver hen and got the pyle. We have a light brown/golden hen that didn't produce any chicks this year but she is from the silver hen too. She molted for the first time in 7 years this spring so we are trying to intensify her genetics by breeding back to her while we still have her around. Even at her age, she is still a great egg layer and always hatches out a couple batches of chicks a year, her only fault is her poor breast color but her daughters have great color

 

[flyingmonkeypoop]

I was just realizing after I typed that, that our phoenix are the opposite of our dunlaced wyandotte project we did a couple years back. All of our phoenix go back to her, in the wyandotte line they all went back to the same rooster

 

[dvang3]

I had terrible luck this year as well.
I had over 50 bbred. Many died from a disease... They would sneeze and puffy eyes.
A family of raccoons took nearly 10 of them as well.
Down to about 20 now. Mostly roos.

I still have 2 hens sitting and a clutch of eggs.

However, this year I had great luck with FIBRO-MELANISTIC chickens.
I just hatched nearly 120 from the bator
And I still have 5 hens sitting with about 15+ eggs each

I still have manyyyyyy eggs
I dont know what to do

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

dvang,

that sounds like MG ( Chronic Respirator Disease) with the sneezing and swollen eyes. Watch that. It spreads quick and is always carried by birds that make it threw it. Transmits threw egg to chicks too. Pretty tuff to get rid of once you have it.

It can only survive a few days outside a host though. So if you can isolate the sick birds, watch and see it any more get it. If you can get your pens free of it, you'll be fine, otherwise, it'll pop up every time they get stressed, especially in the winter.

Micheal,

I think you may have the same thing going that I have out of the Hyde White bantams I have. They look silver pyle, but dont breed out that way for me. Males are solid white, hens are white with the salmon breast. But these breed as recessives for me...

 

[dvang3]

dvang,

that sounds like MG ( Chronic Respirator Disease) with the sneezing and swollen eyes. Watch that. It spreads quick and is always carried by birds that make it threw it. Transmits threw egg to chicks too. Pretty tuff to get rid of once you have it.

It can only survive a few days outside a host though. So if you can isolate the sick birds, watch and see it any more get it. If you can get your pens free of it, you'll be fine, otherwise, it'll pop up every time they get stressed, especially in the winter.

I did get rid of most of them. I even culled some of my birds...
I am giving them Tylan and they are looking a lot better.