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[onagadori]

Ouuu interesting! Thanks for sharing! I would love to know more!

So are most Yokohama's NM ? Or did you create Yokohama's that are NM with Onagadori in their blood?
Also what other breeds did you use to make them hardier?
So interesting...

NO, most yokohamas are not NM.. I did not create them. Yokohamas were created using onagadori the way I understand it. So they can be selectively bred for the trait if they posses it. Most people don't test them so they never know if they have the trait or not. Out crossing any two breeds usually makes a hardier hybrid. I won't go into all the details, but roundhead games, auracanas (rumpless), hamburgs, and andalusians are a few of the breeds used.. Prayer & Careful selection took care of the rest. .

 

[onagadori]

yes Dou, from what I have read and heard from others with them, the higher percentage onagadori blood a non molter has, the more of an issue with isolation. A normal nm phoenix type bird will be ok just in a pen by himself but best with no hens.
The higher the percentage goes, the more isolated they need to be IF you want him to reach his fullest potential.
Anything that would trigger testosterone levels to spike, will also trigger molting in them.

So yes a pure onagadori should be out of sight and sound of all birds, even crowing roosters. But just to test a nm phoenix, a pen away from hens will be fine.

Again, this isnt first hand knowledge on my part, just what I have read and had those with them tell me.

That being said, the white male I have from Cy has been in a breeding pen for 2 years, since I got him as a yearling. He's in hard feather finally now, but has never molted since he's been here He'll be 3 this spring.

I have found that some won't molt breeding as well and that molting in my birds is unaffected by seeing or hearing other birds. However, while I adore onagadori, if I can get a phoenix to match the phenotype and grow a nonmolting tail, I am not too picky about calling it by a %.. After all, even pure onagadori lines don't produce all good specimens, but you will get one in a hundred that are just about perfect.. So with variation in onagadori, I assume that certain birds are more susceptible to some things than others. for instance high strung roosters tend to molt due to their own stress levels whether isolated or not.. And also whether high percentage onagadori or not. My white lines supposedly came from direct imports, back in the 70s, but I have found that they follow the same rules. I don't personally care too much about blood lines. I side with those who breed for phenotype on this issue. If I could make a nonmolting white leghorn with a ten foot tail, I would be just as tickled as if it were 50% onagadori. And I can't emphasize selection too much.. Tom Whiting created the best flytie birds on the market of all times, by using regular birds and selecting for feather. Over the years his work has really shown his efforts and the onagadori was created the same way, by careful selection. So most important to any breeder should be careful selection and becoming thoroughly educated in the field of genetics, as well as hands on experience.

 

[dvang3]

yes Dou, from what I have read and heard from others with them, the higher percentage onagadori blood a non molter has, the more of an issue with isolation. A normal nm phoenix type bird will be ok just in a pen by himself but best with no hens.
The higher the percentage goes, the more isolated they need to be IF you want him to reach his fullest potential.
Anything that would trigger testosterone levels to spike, will also trigger molting in them.

So yes a pure onagadori should be out of sight and sound of all birds, even crowing roosters. But just to test a nm phoenix, a pen away from hens will be fine.

Again, this isnt first hand knowledge on my part, just what I have read and had those with them tell me.

That being said, the white male I have from Cy has been in a breeding pen for 2 years, since I got him as a yearling. He's in hard feather finally now, but has never molted since he's been here He'll be 3 this spring.

If a NM is in his separate pen, but he hears females around... for example, females are in the neighboring pen. Does that affect his tail growth?
Btw how long is his tail?

 

[dvang3]

NO, most yokohamas are not NM.. I did not create them. Yokohamas were created using onagadori the way I understand it. So they can be selectively bred for the trait if they posses it. Most people don't test them so they never know if they have the trait or not. Out crossing any two breeds usually makes a hardier hybrid. I won't go into all the details, but roundhead games, auracanas (rumpless), hamburgs, and andalusians are a few of the breeds used.. Prayer & Careful selection took care of the rest. .

why would you use rumpless birds and auracanas?
do you have silver yokohamas too? did you create some?

 

[onagadori]

why would you use rumpless birds and auracanas?
do you have silver yokohamas too? did you create some?

Because I wanted them to lay blue eggs.. Yes, I have silver yokos.. I made some and I now have red ginger and bbred yokos coming up..

 

[dvang3]

Because I wanted them to lay blue eggs.. Yes, I have silver yokos.. I made some and I now have red ginger and bbred yokos coming up..

Ouuuuuuuuuu pretty!
Please showwwwww!

Wouldn't rumpless mess with the tails a lot though?
You're such a dare devil
I respect that!

 

[onagadori]

Ouuuuuuuuuu pretty!
Please showwwwww!

Wouldn't rumpless mess with the tails a lot though?
You're such a dare devil
I respect that!

Not really.. being rumpless is recessive, it goes away pretty quickly.. That's why most americanas aren't rumpless..

 

[dvang3]

Not really.. being rumpless is recessive, it goes away pretty quickly.. That's why most americanas aren't rumpless..

How about saddles and hackles
Is it hard to get those to the right lengths

 

[flyingmonkeypoop]

I was talking to someone the other day about our black araucanas that would throw tailed sumatra style chicks with nice long tails. The main black rooster we had would get a black face if he was outside for any amount of time. As I was looking at one of my phoenix roosters who molted his tail but kept his saddles, then looking at the rumpless chickens in the pen next to him, I wondered about making a rumpless long saddled bird. I think it would be cool looking, a long sweeping saddle with no tail or anything.

 

[Bentley]

I was talking to someone the other day about our black araucanas that would throw tailed sumatra style chicks with nice long tails. The main black rooster we had would get a black face if he was outside for any amount of time. As I was looking at one of my phoenix roosters who molted his tail but kept his saddles, then looking at the rumpless chickens in the pen next to him, I wondered about making a rumpless long saddled bird. I think it would be cool looking, a long sweeping saddle with no tail or anything. 

That is a really cool thought! Hmmmm, time to consider yet one more project...