Post Phoenix Pics Please

[Lauravonsmurf]

Silver Duckwing

Black Breasted Red


Golden Duckwing

In general I think the chick could be Phoenix... when compaired to these pictures.

 

[Tabatha]

Silver Duckwing Black Breasted Red Golden Duckwing In general I think the chick could be Phoenix... when compaired to these pictures.

he's rocking the eyeliner...lol.

 

[Lauravonsmurf]

Here she is

Here he is. My silkie roo broke his tail feathers

Okay she looks close but not a match to these hens...

Silver:



This next hen is Golden:

This hen is a red:



Maybe she is a very light red?

The red phoenix boys look like the next picture:


Keep in mind I am not an expert on this breed either... so I am making educated guess based on what I have been learning. But they could both be reds?

 

[Tabatha]

If so, they are diluted. I have no clue with what. Unless...the blue eggs ARE hers. That would simplify it for me, but I don't think so because she is so small. So is he actually. I'm just not familiar with many Bantam breeds.

 

[Lauravonsmurf]

If so, they are diluted. I have no clue with what. Unless...the blue eggs ARE hers. That would simplify it for me, but I don't think so because she is so small. So is he actually. I'm just not familiar with many Bantam breeds.

I wonder if she could have white in her? I am not up on the feather color genetics yet but I think the Phoenix whites carry a mix of white genes including both recessive & dominate genes, so maybe?

Her comb type and ear lobe type looks right for phoenix to my unexperienced eye, no crest or dominate rumpless, no beard or muff, no ear tufts... so I am thinking phoenix just probably not SQ. We had a hatchery RIR, she "looked" RIR (& everyone who saw her called her a RIR) in general size, comb, leg color, egg color and shape she looked RIR but her feather color was washed out compared to SQ RIR pictures. Maybe this is a hatchery bantam phoenix?

Maybe the folks who have bred these birds will have better advice..

It will be interesting though to see what the blue eggs are... EE, Ameraucana, Araucana, Cream Legbar or something else?

 

[Tabatha]

I wonder if she could have white in her? I am not up on the feather color genetics yet but I think the Phoenix whites carry a mix of white genes including both recessive & dominate genes, so maybe? 

Her comb type and ear lobe type looks right for phoenix to my unexperienced eye, no crest or dominate rumpless, no beard or muff, no ear tufts... so I am thinking phoenix just probably not SQ. We had a hatchery RIR, she "looked" RIR (& everyone who saw her called her a RIR) in general size, comb, leg color, egg color and shape she looked RIR but her feather color was washed out compared to SQ RIR pictures. Maybe this is a hatchery bantam phoenix?

Maybe the folks who have bred these birds will have better advice..

It will be interesting though to see what the blue eggs are... EE, Ameraucana, Araucana, Cream Legbar or something else? 

The only thing that throws me off is the size of the blue ones. They are tiny too. Maybe they will wind up being sired by the phoenix? I have no clue...lol. definitely a surprise bag!

 

[rambob59]

@Lauravonsmurf
yea, some bantams tend to be really big and some larges tend to be small. Almost as if people confuse what is what and cross a large bantam with small large and produce a middle size.

 

[rambob59]

Like I said before, I am unfamiliar with the hens coloring so it may just be a cross. But the chick definitely looks like a phoenix. In a week or so if legs are blue/slate, then it is a phoenix

 

[Lauravonsmurf]

@Lauravonsmurf
yea, some bantams tend to be really big and some larges tend to be small. Almost as if people confuse what is what and cross a large bantam with small large and produce a middle size.

Okay I will keep that in mind, when choosing any bantam birds.

Like I said before, I am unfamiliar with the hens coloring so it may just be a cross. But the chick definitely looks like a phoenix. In a week or so if legs are blue/slate, then it is a phoenix

I am wondering how the chicks will all develop... the blues have a good chance to come out with wild type/phoenix type markings based on the EE threads, though there could be a bigger range of shading to them (I am guessing a Bantam Ameraucana/EE laid those, but who knows what the dad is maybe the red phoenix roo is dad so it will be interesting to see). The hen is a very interesting color... I was thinking there is something else in both birds too.

I have so far found that the folks doing crossings on other threads have noticed that white is expressed in female chicks & red is expressed in males; when using a red roo or barring using a barred male and this seems to be tied to the hackle and saddle feathers since the pullets don't get those they will not show any red coloring, but if red color is not just in the hackle & saddle but also in the genetics for overall body color then the females will have red coloring, but I also noticed in some project threads certain red patterns simply do not show up well in the hens but are much more sharp on the roos like red barring. I do not think this is red barred hen, but red something... I will keep poking about maybe I can find a similarly shaded hen with known parent patterns to give her a genetic clue for her breeding program.

Instant Phoenix Project. Now we all just have to decipher the DNA involved.

 

[Lauravonsmurf]

Here she is

Here he is. My silkie roo broke his tail feathers

Okay I looked really close at your hen's pattern: I think she is a White Laced after hitting various project threads on BYC: Here are 2 hens from white laced red & buff projects different crosses and breeds at early stages in the projects:




So I am thinking maybe an f1 or f2 white laced red or maybe buff phoenix hen is what you have. Allot of folks seem to use Cornish or other Game birds to introduce this pattern. What does everyone else think?