Prison Violence

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Oh heck, why not just go back to the system used in ancient China. If someone commits a crime, just kill their whole family. Or, just slaughter their whole village.

That'll stop 'em in their tracks. Folks will REALLY think twice before committing a crime then...

After all, the goal is achieved (stopping crime) so who cares how we do it!
 
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No, not at all... they should be treated like human beings... but they shouldn't be treated like kings and queens.

The not guilty should be able to prove it... but the system shouldn't be so geared towards that to allow the guilty to go free.

Problem is that the system is designed and run by humans, and humans are fallible, thus ANY system designed or run by us will be fallible.

It's a delicate line, but I for one am pretty peeved to see thieves, rapists, murderers getting cable, three meals a day, a roof over their heads, medical, dental and vision care and a good education when we cannot even provide that for every CHILD in this country... n'mind all the adults who are NOT out hurting any one. THAT is what gets my goat and, I think, quite a few other people's goats as well.

That's why I agree so much with Ron there... if 3 or more people saw you KILL, NO chance you're innocent at all... you don't get to further harm the public by leeching free room and board, free cable, free medical not to mention the cost for lawyers, appeals, etc...

For those that are murkier there is an appeals system, again not perfect, but it does exist.
 
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Rozzie.. are you posting from jail?? (KIDDING!)
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Cause you know they also get internet access too...
 
I don't agree with the venom being shown toward prisoners here.

I have no flowery illusions about prisoners. I've worked with them, and with guards. I have absolutely no illusions about prisoners, or about crime. My car was stolen, and all my belongings in the car, my identity, my privacy, my security, everything, my car was ruined. I've been knocked down and robbed. I've been attacked. I witnessed two teenagers mug an old lady and take her purse and knock her to the ground in the snow. I saw two men roll a drunk in broad daylight at a bus station. I went to the floor of my car when there was a shooter with a gun on the corner when I was driving home and the traffic was so bad I could not drive away from him. An acquaintance of mine was killed in an office by a robber. My mother was killed by an idiot driving a car. My best friend's girlfriend was stabbed by a guy from her home town on the day before Christmas.

I have no illusions about criminals, prisons, or the legal system.

I do agree with the rules that guards don't have to go in until they are backed up properly, and safe themselves. I want them to stay out of harm's way when possible.

I don't want the prisoners to have a 'go' at each other, though, whenever it can be stopped, I want it stopped. And as quickly as possible.

There are people in prison who have a chance to change or who are in there for reasons that aren't quite what people expect, I see no reason in killing any of them off with brutality.

Many criminals won't (my car was stolen by a many-time criminal, many times convicted and jailed, too). But there are some that will.

Research studies show, that the more the violence in the prison is controlled and minimized, the better the mental health of the staff that work there. It is not just about prisoners. It is about the people who have to work there, all kinds of people, administrators, therapists, guards, everyone. It's about their families.

When they are given the ability to keep the prison as decent a place as they can, and still be safe themselves, they have less suicide, less acoholism, and less depression among the staff. They are under less stress when there is less violence around them.

In prisons where the prisoner violence goes on more unchecked, there is far more stress in the staff.

And not everyone is there for the same reasons.

Friend of mine went to prison for shooting someone that robbed him. He went back and got a gun, he had gotten mugged four or five times on that street, he just had it. So it was not self defense, and he had to go to prison. He got seven years, it was the least amount of time the judge could give him, so we were told.

All his friends were very grateful when he came home in one piece. He was a skinny little blond and some very bad things happened to him in prison.

Without the help of the staff there, a lot more bad things would have happened. I'm glad they were there, and keeping the rules.
 
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I fully expected that to be your opinion.
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And I fully expected you to say that.
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You don't really know what I'm going to think of everything.
 
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Crime disgusts me as much as it does the next person. But I do not feel vengeful, I do not feel a violent out of control prison is the answer to crime, I do not get jumping up and down wild about much - instead I try to think of what would actually work to change it, and I am extremely bored by one sided 'get 'em excited' news reporting. And I defy anyone to prove a MORE out of control prison is a deterrant.
 
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Personally.. i think that you should have NO rights if you are a criminal...
This country makes most of its own problems..., with the molly coddling and babying and "rights" we give these scum bags.

I'd agree with you guys except that I'm a forensic science major, and I'm well aware that some of the guys in prison are INNOCENT. A lot of people lose years of their lives in prison due to convictions that DON'T HOLD upon further examination of the evidence. (DNA anyone? This is why the Innocence Project exists).


Granted, not everyone, or even likely a majority of those in prison are innocent, but again, it bears thought.
 
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Personally.. i think that you should have NO rights if you are a criminal...
This country makes most of its own problems..., with the molly coddling and babying and "rights" we give these scum bags.

No right to a trial? What if it's just for theft? Don't you still have a right to life?

My take is, the punishment matches the crime. Murderers - CONVICTED murderers - lose the right to life, less horrible criminals lose the right to liberty and property. The degree to which the victim's rights were infringed should affect the rights which are taken away from prisoners.

Personally, I favor liberal use of hard labor. Wear the turds out, then they won't have the energy to attack each other.
 
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