production reds

[Chris09]

Thanks for setting thing right Chris 09

Many years ago, when New Hampshires were developed there was a debate as to how this new breed would be named. To eliminate any confusion the Rhode Island Red folks did not want the term "red" used in the New Hamp name. The RIR breeders got their way. Many folks call them New Hampshire Reds but the official breed name is just New Hampshire. If New Hamps came in multiple varieties I could understand saying "red" but since red is their only variety. Its like any other statement that is said/heard enough times it becomes the truth even when false. I'm sure people will continue to call them New Hampshire Reds no matter what.

Your Welcome,
It's kind of like people thinking that the Rhode Island Red and the Rhode Island White are the same breed or how people think that there is such a breed as a single comb Rhode Island White.

As for why there is no "Red" in the New Hampshire breed name. Well that has to do with the true breed name of the Rhode Island Red, Rhode Island is the place of origin and the breed name just so happens to be Red. Also after a lot of fighting, court, and the APA stepping up no other breed of chicken can have Red in there breed name and entered into the Standard of Perfection (SoP).

After this there would also never be a breed with White in its name entered into the SoP either.
Rhode Island place of origin White breed name.

 

[Michael OShay]

So nhr and rir dont make the pr?

Pr are a red gene roo X a red gene hen. The only thing that is certain about the parent of PRs is that both parents were red gene birds. As I stated in my post, most hatchery PRs are the offspring of two PRs.

 

[Chris09]

I will go by nhr.....

Then you will be calling them a incorrect breed name.

So nhr and rir dont make the pr?

Childish aren't we?
Judging by the way you talk and type I will assume that your still in grade school, if so I will just let you know that I have been raising, breeding, showing and researching poultry since before you was born.

As I said before Show Me The Proof.

 

[ThePRfan]

Once I get a computer,I will.
I find rude by some things you say.
If I was a child,I wouldnt know as much as I know about chickens.....
May not know much about breeds,about the chickens itself, I think im good....

 

[Chris09]

I am interested in seeing what you can find.

Just keep this in mind though.
The New Hampshire (NH) was bred solely from the Rhode Island Red (RIR) to create a faster maturing meat producing breed not a faster maturing egg production breed. This means if you cross a RIR to a NH you only increase the egg production over the NH, but in turn your decreasing the egg production of the RIR. You would be far better off just sticking with the RIR for egg production.

Now you would be farther ahead to breed a egg production breed solely from the RIR as they did with the "first generation" production reds than you would be crossing a RIR with a NH. The "second generation" production reds utilized the high egg production of the Leghorn, by crossing Leghorn blood into a high production type RIR you get a medium size, higher production, brown egg fowl that looks similar to the RIR.

Also keep in mind that most hatcheries today have production "breeds" and somewhere in there heritage carry Mediterranean blood (e.g. Leghorn) to increase egg production and aid in sexing at birth. A hatchery may state that there "production reds" are a simple RIR/NH cross but what there leaving out is how the also have Leghorn in the background of one or both of the parent stock.

 

[ThePRfan]

Ok.
I did get the leghorn and ref sexlimk from a pr tub,might aswell ask,umm should I buy from a hatchery again?

 

[ThePRfan]

It was feedstore.