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Pumpkin Hulsey Color Genetics?

Discussion in 'General breed discussions & FAQ' started by Rootball, Jul 29, 2009.

  1. Vcomb

    Vcomb Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Sometimes you can get birds that resemble pumpkins from non pumpkin stock. The pics below are from chick to adult of a bird who is from my Redquills, which carry an infusion of blood of a wheaton based bloodline called Murphys.

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    here's the bird's parents:


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    and a throwback (wheaton downed) pullet from this past year next to one of her brothers:

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  2. Henk69

    Henk69 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Quote:I still think it is some kind of henny feathering effect on wheaten (or maybe duckwing) with a range of red enhancers on a silver, het silver or gold base.
    It could be Db removing the black breast coloring but allowing these red effects. Columbia (Co) would not permit that i.m.o.

    I would be very tempted to resolve their genes. Fortunately there are none in my neighbourhood, because I have way too many project possibilities anyway... [​IMG]

    I was almost thinking there was some sort of Dun/Khaki thing going on in the way some are white. It's very confusing to me how the tail gets that sort of dilution.

    In wheaten hens the tail-black tends to disappear. So groundcolor is coming through etcetera.
    I don't say that there could no be dun or chocolate involved by the way... [​IMG]
     
  3. deerman

    deerman Rest in Peace 1949-2012

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  4. Poultriary

    Poultriary Chillin' With My Peeps

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    "Most of the Yellow Birchens and Pumpkins I've seen are wheaton based. What's interesting is I often see hens of the pumpkin variety who could pass for a normal wheaton hen yet produce pumpkin male offspring."

    I have been fascinated with the Pumpkin Hulseys, mainly because of their bronze tails. Looking many photos here and at another forum for game birds, I agree that most of hens are indistinguishable from wheatons. The exceptions are what I like, such as the photos captioned "Here are the parents".

    I have some photos of American Game Red Quills (aka Ginger Reds) that have markings like red or grey jungle fowl hens. I very much prefer the look of those hens, but the cocks (thought they seem to replace "cock" with "stag" over on the other forum when talking gamefowl) have black-sheening-green tails, not bronze.

    I'd love to have/develop a line with the bronze-tailed stags and hens with the jungle-fowl markings, such as this little sweatheart:

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  5. DTchickens

    DTchickens Overrun With Chickens

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    Quote:Stag doesn't replace cock, in gamefowl there are three general terms. Stag=cockerel. Bullstag, a bird that is 1-2 years old. 2 years and more is a cock. But not everyone uses the bullstag term, a lot do- but also a lot don't.

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  6. Poultriary

    Poultriary Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Daniel,

    Thanks for the clarification.

    I've only played around a little on the UF site. I recently picked up the historical books on gamefowl on CD from Peaceful Creek Auctions. So, I am just familiarizing myself with the terminology. I got a laugh out of the fact that "dungheap" for poor quality bird goes back well over 100 years.

    It is also the only reference I've yet found that has any sort of information on poultry breeds originating in Ireland. It appears to be the Irish Game and that's all there is. I guess it was fitting that Coach Holtz went from Notre Dame to South Carolina.

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    It is an interesting suject to learn about even if I'm still trying to decide how I feel about it.
     
  7. Georgia Boy 1970

    Georgia Boy 1970 Chillin' With My Peeps

    Looking for some advice from some you genetics gurus. If a person was interested in breeding (a run of the mill chicken,not a new breed,mixed layer) with the pumpkin color.What breeds would you use? Thanks
     
  8. cubakid

    cubakid Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Ill post some pictures of our Pumpkins. I think there is, like someone said, a dun base... males can have brown in the tail, and some of our females have an almost blue tail. i do think there is also a wheaten base... some pullets hatched this year that look like a normal wheaten, others look orange and some of ours came out pure white and others are white with brown tails(females) some even came out dark, almost like there is a gene from black(scales are tipped with black, and feathers thickly stripped with black)

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  9. cubakid

    cubakid Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Our male. he is a 2010 hatched bird... i dont care for his tail but this is a good depiction of his color

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  10. cubakid

    cubakid Chillin' With My Peeps

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    shows the lighter blue tailed pullet and the darker red female.

    this is a pic when they were very young
     

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