Purina Organic feed?

[jensen]

I use Purina and have found the birds do very well on it as well.

 

[domino7]

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It may be a buzzword to you and that is fine, it doesn't change the truth that in order to produce or legally sell organic product you must use a very strict protocol in growing. Also I am in the food business and every literally every publication now from restaraunt to wholesaler to retail publications address the organic market place.

Just because it provides not value to you does not mean it is not a legitimate industry with very real standards and practices.

Many folks choose not to pay for the product many do but it cant be disregarded.

You can believe the sun wont come up tommorrow that is fine with me but it will certainly rise despite your beleifs

Clearly, you are very passionate about this. It seems like you have also been trained in the art of debate. Who is policing all this? The government can't even stop the obvious crimes that are rampant in the country's neighborhoods. I just don't believe that there could ever be enough oversight to insure compliance. After all, an organic tomato looks just like a non-organic tomato. To me, the only way to know if something's organic is to grow it yourself.

I'm certainly not against the idea of organic food. I just don't trust the government, or big business. I guess I've been around too long, and been duped too many times.

Every publication? I guess I don't believe everything I read either. Who publishes them? I would call that marketing.

 

[CityChicker]

I'm with Greathorse on this, some of what has been said in this thread already is ludicrous. It is quite obvious that some have little concept about what "organic" means and the very stringent requirements to obtain the status. Whether you agree with the importance or relevance of organic foods is a separate issue. Just because some people are willing to rip off their customers, doesn't mean there are not very real laws in place on the practices and labeling to obtain organic status.

I refuse to believe that it is common practice for companies to sell inorganic products as organic and just change the labels. That is a really silly statement. I just don't believe that it is commonplace for companies to be so horribly dishonest and basically "thieve" from their customers like that. I also agree with Greathorse that you should be ashamed of yourself, panner. Just because you were deceptive and got away with it, doesn't make it "right" nor does it make it something that other companies frequently do.

 

[lngrid]

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Hi, Panner. What station carries this program? What day and time is it on?

 

[greathorse]

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It may be a buzzword to you and that is fine, it doesn't change the truth that in order to produce or legally sell organic product you must use a very strict protocol in growing. Also I am in the food business and every literally every publication now from restaraunt to wholesaler to retail publications address the organic market place.

Just because it provides not value to you does not mean it is not a legitimate industry with very real standards and practices.

Many folks choose not to pay for the product many do but it cant be disregarded.

You can believe the sun wont come up tommorrow that is fine with me but it will certainly rise despite your beleifs

Clearly, you are very passionate about this. It seems like you have also been trained in the art of debate. Who is policing all this? The government can't even stop the obvious crimes that are rampant in the country's neighborhoods. I just don't believe that there could ever be enough oversight to insure compliance. After all, an organic tomato looks just like a non-organic tomato. To me, the only way to know if something's organic is to grow it yourself.

I'm certainly not against the idea of organic food. I just don't trust the government, or big business. I guess I've been around too long, and been duped too many times.

Every publication? I guess I don't believe everything I read either. Who publishes them? I would call that marketing.

I dont particularly trust the gov either, but in this case more so than the person blatantly lying about their product. In terms of magazines I am talking about trade magazines that speak to and for the trade. No reason to make stuff up. Produce trade magazines whom for a long time nearly ignored organic because it was such a small part of the market now speak to it very regularaly.
Yes that does validate the fact that there is growing demand. Nearly 20% per year for organic in the face of a flat market otherwise. Yes it is a valid marketplace and here to stay despite the cynicism of its critics.

 

[panner123]

You can have your land (dirt) labeled as organic if any chemical is in the ground naturally. The property I just bought in June as a large quanity of asbestos in it, plus a lot of other junk. Had to replace 3 feet of it to start a garden for next year and a place for the chickens to free range. Yet I could have been able to grow organic in the old dirt, for it was naturally there.
When I had the driveway redone, the quary driver had me sign a paper stating he told me there was asbestos (5% or more) being delivered.
As for any regulations about this, they are ther but in most cases not enforceable. There are way to many variables. Why to you think many sell thier eggs as free range not organic? Many do this to get around the law because they can't get their property cetifitified. How often does an inspector test the property. Clean today and my neighbor spreys tommorow and I wouldn't pass.
Good thoughts and theroy, but what we have done to the land can't be undone because some goverment inspector passed the property as clean.
Good products out there, but could be MUCH better.
As for the stations, 1560 am, 650 am and 830 am. Even the ones promoting organic will tell you they use Round-up regularly.
I am not trying to knock organics, I just want anyone to know in todays life organics is a joke.
Prior to 1900 organics was all we had. Then came the chemicals and now wwe have to live with them. It is like a plastic cup in a land fill, in a thousand year it won't be there. The same with the chemicals we placed on the land.

 

[greathorse]

I suggest you read the organic reg's before you make statements or assumptions about what may or may not be labeled as organic. Of course anyone can make that claim regarding their own product. It does not mean they have met the requirements for certification. The reason a lot of folks label eggs as free range and not organic is because there is a big difference in the two. In fact they are related only in that organic egg producers are required to provide access to the outdoors. Free range producers provide acess but are not required to feed organic grain.

I am still shocked and appalled at the fact that you took product to any market and blatantly lied about it being produced organically. It is you sir and those like you (and they are very few) that degrade the organic standard. I still think you should be standing in a corner somewhere thinkning about what you have done.

I can think of few behaviors more shameful.

Any certified organic producer may not use roundup on their ground. They would lose their certification for sure. Of course some lying theif can use roundup on their ground harvest their produce take it to a Farmers market and sell to an unwitting purchaser as organic. You are proof positive of that.

It doesnt meant that those who follw the regs arent legitimate and have a legitimate product to sell

 

[cherylcohen]

My question seems to be completely overlooked and now turned into a organic vs other war. Please email each other than go off topic thanks

 

[DawnSuiter]

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as far as I can tell your question is based on "is organic feed better than NON organic feed"

It's a deep subject and I think is a matter of opinion, based on what YOU feel is right or wrong. Organic does NOT mean without pesticides... as the most common pesticides are botanical extracts; derived from plants, and that means they are natural and organic... So what DOES organic mean... that is a loaded question, hence the "discussion" on organic requirements & the nature of the industry.

No one can answer that question for you... you have to answer it for yourself.

There are very few questions like that on BYC, but this is definitely one of them.

 

[cherylcohen]

Thanks Dawn! I'm going to call the feed store now that I'm back in town and get the name of the feed. I'll look up the contents and compare to the Purina layer.

My question I guess got a little diluted, but I guess I'm wondering if the layer pellets have something extra special in them that promotes laying (as the name suggests) versus what may be in the organic feed. I'll check that out, but if anyone knows about it, I'd love the education. Thanks all