Question about the APA Standard of Perfection

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lildinkem,
I don't think NYREDS in encourage breeding a fault. He was just stating that there is only a 1/2 to 1 point deduction for a large comb..

When looking at your birds on your BYC Page, the combs on you bird do look small for the breed. The first rooster's comb looks very coarse and irregular in the serrations of the comb but that isn't his biggest fault. His biggest fault would have to be his over all plumage color. He is very uneven in color with alot of white under-color showing.
If you look in the standard under "Description of Common Plumage Color and Color Patterns" is says:
Buff-
PLUMAGE:
Surface throughout-- an even shade of rich golden buff.
Male -- head, neck, hackle, back, wing bows and saddle showing greater luster.
Female -- hackle, some luster.
Under-color -- matching surface as near as possible.
APPLIES TO:
Cochin, Cornish, Leghorn, Minorca (Single Comb), Orpington, Plymouth Rock, Wyandottes, Ameraucanas.

Chris

Surface throughout-- an even shade of rich golden buff. A rich golden buff....not orange and not yellow or cream. Seems so many of today's buff birds are extreemly light colored. Almost like Wal-Mart brand butter. Always thought Buff was more like a gold pocket watch. Have not had any birds for a few years. Have been looking for some quality buff orpington LF. Still have not seen any of the type and color I want. Most advertising hatching eggs are using a show quality male on production hens. Years ago I sacrificed a lot to get that good comb. Several judges (including Pat Malone and Sam Brush) explained that comb is just a half point. Type and color is more important. I have seen some photos of good male birds, but then am told their hens are of production lines. Hoping some quality Buff Orpingtons will be shown at the Pine Bluff, Arkansas show in April.

Always thought Buff was more like a gold pocket watch.

That is what was told to me by a couple poultry judges back about 3 or 4 years ago when I was thinking about getting into Buff Rocks..

Chris​
 
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I do not think NYREDS is encouraging breeding birds with faults. But in a show, the comb is not that big of a deal. As far as breeding goes, you have to pick the lesser of evils. I'm saying if I had to choose to breed from a bird that had too large of a comb that had proper wing carriage vs. a bird with horrible wing carriage but the perfect comb, I'd go with the bird with the large comb.

Is that what I was doing? I thought I was pointing out that when one focuses too much on one minor characteristic it's easy to lose sight of the whole.
I'm always amazed by people who don't show but know more about showing than people who do. Even more amazed by a non-judge who thinks they're in a position to criticize judges. Like I said come show us how it should be done.

Not only I am a non judge, I only had Orps one year. And I haven't shown. I plan too. Here on this forum I have been told that Showing birds does not mean one can not breed for the APA Standard. In that thread I was being the one told that. Again cause I wanted to breed to the APA Standard. lololol
And I ask what is the Standard for MEDIUM? WHY? Cause this is my second year in breeding Orps and I want to breed to the Standard. I have choices. Do I breed the larger comb boy or the smaller one boy. IF their identical in quality other then that. I just want to know from you judges and Exhibitors? lololol

Jean your girl is gorgeous!
 
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Is that what I was doing? I thought I was pointing out that when one focuses too much on one minor characteristic it's easy to lose sight of the whole.
I'm always amazed by people who don't show but know more about showing than people who do. Even more amazed by a non-judge who thinks they're in a position to criticize judges. Like I said come show us how it should be done.

Not only I am a non judge, I only had Orps one year. And I haven't shown. I plan too. Here on this forum I have been told that Showing birds does not mean one can not breed for the APA Standard. In that thread I was being the one told that. Again cause I wanted to breed to the APA Standard. lololol
And I ask what is the Standard for MEDIUM? WHY? Cause this is my second year in breeding Orps and I want to breed to the Standard. I have choices. Do I breed the larger comb boy or the smaller one boy. IF their identical in quality other then that. I just want to know from you judges and Exhibitors? lololol

Jean your girl is gorgeous!

I just want to know from you judges and Exhibitors?

If I am not mistaken all the people you have been talking to are judges and or Exhibitors.

Chris​
 
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Not only I am a non judge, I only had Orps one year. And I haven't shown. I plan too. Here on this forum I have been told that Showing birds does not mean one can not breed for the APA Standard. In that thread I was being the one told that. Again cause I wanted to breed to the APA Standard. lololol
And I ask what is the Standard for MEDIUM? WHY? Cause this is my second year in breeding Orps and I want to breed to the Standard. I have choices. Do I breed the larger comb boy or the smaller one boy. IF their identical in quality other then that. I just want to know from you judges and Exhibitors? lololol

Jean your girl is gorgeous!

I just want to know from you judges and Exhibitors?

If I am not mistaken all the people you have been talking to are judges and or Exhibitors.

Chris​

Great, then let's break out some way of measuring, like what was asked. I would feel more comfortable in knowing. That is the way we do conformation in the dog world. Maybe we can get with all the breed clubs and have a standard size for Medium, and a color chart for Buff amongst others, to be added to the Book of Standards. In my neck of the woods, the competition is too steep to ever win. And who knows? I might just need that half point. lolololol
 
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Is that what I was doing? I thought I was pointing out that when one focuses too much on one minor characteristic it's easy to lose sight of the whole.
I'm always amazed by people who don't show but know more about showing than people who do. Even more amazed by a non-judge who thinks they're in a position to criticize judges. Like I said come show us how it should be done.

Not only I am a non judge, I only had Orps one year. And I haven't shown. I plan too. Here on this forum I have been told that Showing birds does not mean one can not breed for the APA Standard. In that thread I was being the one told that. Again cause I wanted to breed to the APA Standard. lololol
And I ask what is the Standard for MEDIUM? WHY? Cause this is my second year in breeding Orps and I want to breed to the Standard. I have choices. Do I breed the larger comb boy or the smaller one boy. IF their identical in quality other then that. I just want to know from you judges and Exhibitors? lololol

Jean your girl is gorgeous!

I started breeding Orpingtons in 1979. Have not shown in a few years. But, in my opinion, breed from the larger comb male to the medium or smaller comb females. Vise versa. You should be able to have some medium comb birds with good type. Still it is only a half point.
 
jimsfarmstand:

I am an Old School type of guy.
I seen this print a few months ago, and thought, that is close enough to the standard for me to try to replicate. It is from the 1890's. I guess IF I am off either way a little I am okay.

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I like it!!! Great print. I am adding that one. Thank you Jim. I love the type for both birds. I just find it easier to go by a picture then the printed word. Remember I am a backwoods Indy guy. And you are right, that looks like gold on a fine mens watch.
 

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