Question about the APA Standard of Perfection

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Yet, poultry shows are not done the same way as dog shows. The city is not the country. Southerners are not Yankees. Chocolate is not vanilla. Etc etc.

Wouldn't it be more useful to invest the time to learn how the poultry world does things, and gain the experience so that you can see those things yourself too, rather than come in with one whole years' experience and tell people they're doing it all wrong and need to change their 'calibration' and the nature of the Standard of Perfection?
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I can tell you from horse experience, it is just takes a good bit of TIME to develop an educated eye. Like, many years. (And it is a continuing process). Seems to me that the most efficient and effective thing is not to waste energy arguing that your interpretation is The Right One and the majority of experienced showmen and breeders are wrong, but rather to learn to see what they're seeing. Including all the finer points of all the REST of the conformation and feathering and coloring of the birds.

(And remember, a judge has to place SOMEthing first. At horseshows, new horseowners who have read a lot of books often say 'oh my, how could that horrible judge POSSIBLY give the blue ribbon to that horse when <insert name of fault here>', simply not seeing the other horses' greater or more numerous faults.)

As a side issue, sure it might be nice, possibly, if the entire judging system for poultry was constructed differently, with measurements and color-match charts and all that so that everything is as much explicitly spelled out as possible and probably even an image-recognition program could do the judging. I see nothing wrong with a person thinking that'd be nice (I'm not sure I would agree, but it is certainly a reasonable argument).

HOWEVER what is the point in wishing this were the case, when, in fact, it is not, and when the current situation does not seem to trouble the poultry world in general
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JMHO,

Pat
 
Pat you are right. I was always told IF you don't ask it is a definite " NO ". So I asked.
I can imagine how difficult it is to all settle on a standard size and color for one breed club yet alone all the breed clubs to have to agree upon. I guess the real issue to me, is more of the continuing of a great breed to the standard of the originator Wm Cook. I see many different looks of the same breed. All are bred to APA Standards.
And unfortunately in my beloved doggy world, we too can not see eye to eye with breed standards of the same breed. An American German Sheperd Dog is much different the the German Import version. Sound familiar? Yes, the Orpingtons of UK are totally different then the USA Standards. I am partial to the VERY OLD SCHOOL German Sheperd Dog of the pre 1925 era. They had long flat backs, and more substantial in size. Then after 1925 they went to the stacked back look. Or scrunchin rear end look Supposedly cause it has a more efficient gate. No where else in the canine world you have this look. So there again, I have enemies who do not like to hear my opinion.
One thing I do know, by living in Indy. Where we have been consistantly under 20 degrees for the better half of two months. My Medium Comb Orps have zero comb damage. My boys from the breeder who has larger combs that does all the winning, start to freeze up at 25 degrees. Not very cold weather hardy. Those boys spend most of the time inside. For me, in addition to these prints from a hundred plus years ago, that is my best reason, evidence to believe the Comb size are a bit bigger then what they were when Cook made up the breed.
 
pathfinders those are some beauties!! I love the color! I know they are some super duper rare birds nowadays. I am glad someone is doing them right. I seen a list from the 1930's of varieties of chickens that are now extinct. I feel that it is more important then ever for back yard breeders to carry the torch for breeds like your Buckeyes. IF you are like me, I am sure you have gone to great legnths to assure you will continue to have such awesome Red birds. Great work!!
I have some Ameraucanas that make a living outside. Seem to be fine. And the one line of Buffs that I have several cockerels from, they stay out, only pull them in when it is way too windy, and the boys combs are brite red and healthy. And this lines girls are laying machines rite now. I get 3 eggs a day outta six 8 month old girls everyday. We were a bit cooler then you last nite, we dipped under 10 degrees. YUCK!
 
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Actually, not as rare now as they have been, due in no small part to the hard work of Don Schrider and Jeannette Beranger at the ALBC, and of course the foundation breeders: Urch, Pearce, Rhodes, Brown and the like. And since starting the American Buckeye Poultry Club in '08 we've seen a real rise in popularity of these great birds. My goal is to get them off the Critical list at the ALBC sometime in the next five years.

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Actually, not as rare now as they have been, due in no small part to the hard work of Don Schrider and Jeannette Beranger at the ALBC, and of course the foundation breeders: Urch, Pearce, Rhodes, Brown and the like. And since starting the American Buckeye Poultry Club in '08 we've seen a real rise in popularity of these great birds. My goal is to get them off the Critical list at the ALBC sometime in the next five years.

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I totally appreciate where you are coming from. A passion for a breed is more what we need in our breed clubs. Too many are eager to sell off and move on when they encounter the lack of support for a given breed. I remember seeing the Buckeyes were low in numbers of breeders a few years ago. I am really glad that one of our American breeds are coming back strong. It is nice to have places like this to help encourage people to take on challenging breeds. And to feel free to contact those who makes breeds like the Buckeye thrive and know the names behind the breeds. thank you for sharing some great contact info.
thank you!
 
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I have a question as it relates to frost bitten combs. I have a cockeral that might be pretty good. I am for sure going to use him on my best pullets. He has very minor frost bite on the very tips of his comb?

Is this a minor discount as in a comb that is a bit small or large, or is this a conditioning issue that would make it useless to use this rooster in a show? It is visible to anyone that knows what to look for.

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I love the ameraucana description that says the eyes must be "expressive". WTH???

I guess I'll buy some falsies for the next show and teach my gals how to blink them.......
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