Question on GMO feed

[Flavum]

Well we are eating GMO's that are poison, you say, and our diet is killing us, you say. But people are living longer then ever before. Hmmmmmmm....

People aren't living any longer, they just die slower. Sad but true.

 

[Spifflove]

Well after reviewing the study there do seem to be some possible weakness in it. Although it is the largest study of its kind and only study of its length it does need to be repeated and reproduced before any conclusions can be drawn from it. I will continue to research the matter.

Specifically, the environment has to be kept free from BPA leaching out of the cages and possibly the water bottles, and no soy exposure whose estrogen effects could have contributed to the tumors.

That can explain anomalies in the curves of both the tests and controls. Still it does not explain the massive difference in tumor rates between the test and control groups; given the control group was caged and fed using the same plastics.

 

[chickengeorgeto]

I would love to see some proof GMO's are good for you

You are trying to argue that GMOs are bad for you by using the same strategy that Big Tobacco employed to claim that cigarettes are good (because you said it is). Everything you have posted is unsupported by scientific evidence or proof. However unlike tobacco use there is a ZERO casual relationship between GMOs and
human health except for impacts like these 7 impacts:

1. GMO or Roundup ready soy, corn, cotton, sugar beets, canola/rape, alfalfa, grain sorghum, etc has resulted in a dramatic reduction in top soil erosion from wind during both plowing and tillage. There are benefits for humans in this. Not only are we conserving our precious top soil that we depend on to feed ourselves, there is also fewer soil particles or dust blowing in the wind to irritate the lungs of the young, the old, and those in between.

2. GMO or Roundup ready soy, corn, cotton, sugar beets, canola/rape, alfalfa, grain sorghum and hopefully wheat, has resulted in a dramatic reduction in tillage passes by farm equipment, and a resulting reduction in fossil fuel use.. This has resulted in a whole new genus of farm crops called "Low Till," "Zero Till," or "No Till" crops. This has resulted in another HUGE reduction in erosion. This time the reduction is a reduction in water erosion. At one time you could get a free farm by standing on a low bridge with fine mesh dip net and dip good farm land from the water as it goes racing down stream to the ocean. Now our water ways are much clearer and our farm land is still 'down' on the farm where it belongs. Roundup Ready crops have also resulted in numerous cover crops like annual rye grass being planted after fall harvest and these cover crops results in green manure or organic fertilizer at spring planting time. This is the type of agricultural practices environmentalist recommend but the anti-GMO environmentalist never mention this because it is not part and parcel of their agenda.

3. At one time as many as 10 to 15 applications of DDT derived insecticides or worst were applied to cotton each and every growing season just to knock the pink bowl worms' nose in the dirt. Now a fragment of a common bacteria found in profusion in the very dirt that you chickens scratch or dust themselves in has been spliced into cottons' DNA. This supplies protection from caterpillar species who harbor ambitions of becoming moths by feeding on cotton. This cotton variety is known as Bt cotton.

4. The same thing is true for corn. There is a Bt corn verity that kills the European corn borer which BTW is the same moth species called "the pink bowl worm" when it is found in cotton. There is a Roundup Ready corn variety, and there is also a corn and cotton seed variety that is both Bt treated as well as Roundup ready.

Besides since the early 1940s the VAST majority (90% or better) of all corn seeds planted on American farms has been hybrid seed corn. Only a danged fool of a farmer would save corn seeds that he had raised from a hybrid corn variety and plant these corn seeds the following year. The problem is that this will likely result in a total or almost total crop failure as some corn stalks flower at different times and rates, resulting in poor pollination, and none of them produce as well in following generations as the 4 or more verities do when they are combined in just one seed.

5. There is even Bt bacteria organisms sold in bulk that are purchased by organic food producers and applied to their crops in wholesale amounts. Organic farmers are also allowed to use the herbicide Roundup to burn down weeds before they plow or plant because Roundup is short lived in the environment.

6. There is a lot of gnashing of teeth over the lowly but lovely honey bee. The huge reduction, (did I also mention the great reduction) in INSECTICIDE use on Bt crops has been a life saver for the honey bee. I aught to know because I keep bees. The Anti GMO side are telling bald faced lies anytime they blame any honey bee decline real or imagined on Bt crops. It isn't so. For every "expert" they drag out of the woods to make these false claims there are 100s of beekeepers who keep 1000s of thriving bee colonies in the midst of a sea of insecticide FREE transgenetic corn or cotton.

7. The tropical fruit called papaya is attacked by a virus that causes numerous brown or black spots on its skin. The solution was to splice a small part of the same virus' DNA into the papaya's genome and the presence of this gene causes the papaya fruit to produce its own immunity to the virus. You can view it like a self manufactured and administered papaya vaccine. I will freely admit that this virus is not dangerous to human health but it does have a negative impact on the price papaya farmers get for their papayas or how long they can stay on display in the grocery without becoming gross.

Regardless if you eat a GMO papaya or an old fashion low tech non GMO papaya, every time you take a bite of papaya you are eating this virus. However if you are eating non GMO papayas you are consuming the living virus and if you eat a GMO papaya you are only eating one or two genes belonging to this virus, the rest is just papaya and nothing else.

Please respond with 7 reasons why GMOs are evil. Notice that I used only reasoned scientific information, not emotional red herrings and most of what I posted is derived from my own first hand experience but not a bit of it came from an anti-modernity web sight, or from Monsanto.

I hope that none of you take my humble words for any of this but I do hope that you will do your own unbiased research. Have a good day.

 

[Spifflove]

I think blaming Kissinger is rather narrow minded.

You would blame Hillary?

 

[Spifflove]

From the study:
"It is noteworthy that the first two male rats that died in both GM treated groups had to be euthanized due to kidney Wilm’s tumors that were over 25% of body weight. This was at approximately a year before the first control animal died."

Now note that a counterpoint has been made that the rats in the study are prone to cancer. However examining that study:
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/521452

It can bee seen that most tumors were thyroid. But 93% of the female rat tumors in the study were breast adenomas. So that argument fails, on the face of it a deception.

Furthermore, the rat strain was the same strain Monsanto used.

 

[Spifflove]

Seralini was widley critized for using small test groups of ten male and ten female rates each. Seralini and his supports have said that the sample size meets international protocols for toxicology studies, and Monsanto's own 90-day study analyzed test groups of the same size. ESFA and other European regulators, however, said Seralini's study did not meet these same protocols.

"Where were you people when Monsanto was submitting studies with the same sample size and saying they were valid to show that this crop is safe?" Hansen askes of Seralini's detractors."

www.truth-out.org/news/item/12284-inside-the-controversy-over-a-french-gmo-study-and-the-monsanto-information-war

 

[Spifflove]

Quote: 1. Corporate greed over service to humanity- It's entire buisness model is designed to trap farmers into a system of economic dependance, to turn famers into indentured servants who can never return to traditional farming after their soil has been destroyed by roundup.

2. Death over life. GM corn grown a toxic chemical inside each and every corn kernel.

3. Secrecy over Transparency- Monsanto spent millions of dollars to defeat Proposition 37 in Californa-- a bill which would simply require GMO's to be indicated on food labels.

4. Domination of technology rather than sharing of widom- When Monsanto's GMO seeds blow into the fields of farmers who are trying to avoid growing GMOs, Monsanto uses its patent "rights" to sue the farmers and claim they "stole" Monsanto property.

5. Artificial manipulation of nature rather than honoring of nature. Terminator seeds threaten all human life on the planet. Billions of lives are threatened by self-terminating seeds.

6. Environmental destruction over environmental stewardship- Actual crop yields lower than organic farming over a 5 year period.

7. Scientific deception over scientific proof- Instead of testing GMOs for long periods on animals, Monsanto-funded scientists test GMOs a mere 90 days and then adamantly declare the food to be "safe" for a lifetime of consumption by humans.

 

[Spifflove]

From the paper:
"In conclusion, it was previously known that glycophosphate consumption in water above authorized limits may provoke hepatic and kidney failures [EPA]. The results of the study presented here clearly demonstrate that lower levels of complete agricultural glycophosphate formulations [i.e. Roundup with adjuvants] at concentrations well below officially set saftey limits, induce severe hormone dependent mammary, hepatic, and adrenal tumors."

That is to say, Roundup penetrates cells much better than glycophosphate alone, with deadly effect.

 

[TennesseeChicken]

Ok, since some of you think there are no 'real' studies out there that 'prove' GMOs are harmful, then why did Monsanto only limit their studies to 90 days for FDA approval?? http://healthyfoodnaturally.com/2012/02/07/gmo-health-risks/ Face it, it looks BAD when there is an ex-Monsanto Officer at the helm of the FDA. Where's the actual science from Monsanto's 90 day studies? And what are they trying to hide? Please...

As far as GMOs being around for years and people living longer...how many people do you know that aren't on pharmaceutical drugs for one thing or another? You know, those drugs that mask the problem, but don't 'cure' anything AND 'may cause death under certain circumstances? Give me a break. Walk into any Walmart and see what people throw into their baskets and look at those people. They even look ill. All of the processed foods are sickening. People really don't know how to cook from scratch!! Many of the diseases that are here today weren't around in pre-GMO days...acid-reflux, GERD, anyone...Bueller? You know, the days where family farms were prevalent, ate eggs and bacon everyday for breakfast and baked bread with lard instead of hydrogenated gmo soybean oil? Actual tallow from their cattle and hogs? Oh, the horror! Face it, the days when TV dinners were a wonder and fast food kicked up (all with GMO ingredients and un-natural chemicals) really kicked health in the *****. Does it really take a rocket scientist to realize where these health problems are coming from? NO, it's called common sense. How can you honestly say that eating something that really isn't natural (GMOs) doesn't provide any harmful effects?

Bear, do you feed your animals GMO? For how long? Any fertility problems? I know that GMOs caused hog fertility problems at one farm because they fed GMO feed to their animals for who knows how long and they started having problems with fertility. They bought a pastured boar from us that was fed non-GMO and soy free supplemental feed so they could upgrade their stock. So don't go telling me that GMOs are harmless. I have experienced actual proof.

You go ahead and do what you want to do, but never say GMOs are harmless, because they aren't.

 

[TennesseeChicken]

1. Corporate greed over service to humanity- It's entire buisness model is designed to trap farmers into a system of economic dependance, to turn famers into indentured servants who can never return to traditional farming after their soil has been destroyed by roundup.

2. Death over life. GM corn grown a toxic chemical inside each and every corn kernel.

3. Secrecy over Transparency- Monsanto spent millions of dollars to defeat Proposition 37 in Californa-- a bill which would simply require GMO's to be indicated on food labels.

4. Domination of technology rather than sharing of widom- When Monsanto's GMO seeds blow into the fields of farmers who are trying to avoid growing GMOs, Monsanto uses its patent "rights" to sue the farmers and claim they "stole" Monsanto property.

5. Artificial manipulation of nature rather than honoring of nature. Terminator seeds threaten all human life on the planet. Billions of lives are threatened by self-terminating seeds.

6. Environmental destruction over environmental stewardship- Actual crop yields lower than organic farming over a 5 year period.

7. Scientific deception over scientific proof- Instead of testing GMOs for long periods on animals, Monsanto-funded scientists test GMOs a mere 90 days and then adamantly declare the food to be "safe" for a lifetime of consumption by humans.

Thank You, Spifflove...You responded before I could. Great Post!!!