Rabbit breeders, help identifing blue eyed rabbit

[Zac S. Orig. 7 hatchery]

Wow. that takes skill. looks like a sable point bew lionhead cross. mabe a bew n.d. or polish???

 

[Zac S. Orig. 7 hatchery]

It my NOT be shown in 4-H or FFA! To be shown in 4-H it must be an approved breed. A correctly colored lionhead may be shown but will not be state fair elligable. That is not a correct color and would be DQ'ed (white) in 4-H.

 

[RabbitMage]

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I'm sorry ARBA standards are so appalling. I feel kind of bad for the ARBA kids who try going to these shows. I certainly wouldn't.

 

[chinbunny]

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Kids show any chickens at 4h here too. Most are purebred, but none are perfect. They just buy them at feed stores as chicks, raise them, and show them. Same with the dog show. They also show any cat or small animal at the small animal show. None of the shows at the three county 4h we have been involved with are like that. It's a kid thing rather than about the pedigree of any one of them. Last year Dr. W did all the judging in S county, Dr H's vet tech judged in another county, and a retired vet, Dr. F, did the judging in the third county. Of course, we live in the country where the population of all three counties put together wouldn't match that of one large urban area. But there are no DQ for anything. We make sure we encourage and reward the kids for being good with their animals. In fact the winners are usualy the kid who knows most about his animal regardless of what the animal looks like or its pedigree. We encourage the kids to love their pets as a paramount consideration. I am just appalled to know that so many 4h contests have turned into pedigree shows. I had no idea because I have never seen it here. I do know the state fair is more stringent, but not horribly so.
It's not that I don't understand what you are saying. It just disgusts me to hear it. I had no idea this was going on anywhere. I can't believe the organization is treating kids like that anywhere. It is so very very sad.

If your fair does things differently then that is fine. However, I don't expect these kids to learn much when they take the same rabbit to an ARBA show and end up wondering why their show winning pet was the first off the table or disqualified. A good 4h shows is similar to that of an ARBA show. While its nice to encourage the kids to take care of their pets, I would also feel bad for those that do attend the shows, and breeding their own purebred animals. 4h is about teaching the kids how to properly take care of their animals, and about proper husbandry. Which does involve attending animal shows. A good program will have someone involved who can teach these kids about showing, breeding, caring for their animals, and what to look for on them(disqualification wise) when it comes to show day. Showing a pet is fine. But if they don't learn what to look for on these animals, then IMHO they aren't learning much about them. Other then to feed, water, and cage them. And its not sad at all. The kids that work hard learning and showing these animals are very proud of what they produce. Its an accomplishment going from raising non show quality animals, to breeding the best you can. Its not all about a pedigree show. Its teaches the kid about their animals. Because if they do decide to try open shows, its gonna happen to them at them anyhow. Animals do get dq'd at them. Most of the time the judge is nice enough to explain to the kid why. Sure they are disappionted, but at least they learned something from it. When you show you want the best of the best, and you want the kids to learn from it. Esp when it involves state fairs, and such. at our state fair the animal must be a recognized breed, and purebred in order to be shown. Many kids that attend our state and county fairs also show in the youth sanctioned ARBA rabbit shows. It woul dbe unfair to that child if their champion rabbit was beaten at a 4h show by something that has a disqualification on it. Or they get a person that doesn't know what they are when it comes to judging the animals. Her eat our fairs showmanship is judged on you, and how you care for and handle the rabbit. The all breed show is judged on the rabbit. Not the person that owns it. If you want to see strict, go to an ARBA all breed rabbit show sometime. They are much harder on them there then they are the 4h shows. The kids that show are pretty good at handling it if their animal gets dq'd. Its all nothing but a learning experience. I have yet to see a kid crying at a rabbit show(knock on wood).

 

[EweSheep]

When I was in 4H many years ago, we didnt have all those recognized breeds like we do today. It is all about showmanship and how to care for rabbits. We had alot of mutts and we had a good time showing animals of all sorts of breeds, mostly crossbred ones. Mind you this was in a major city of Peoria, IL!!! My sister showed her Californian cross mix buck rabbit and he won his class for the heavyweight division.

Today, in 4H, there were classification of meat rabbits, specialized breeds and showmanship. Again, I saw some mixed breeds and they still win their shows as well.

So I think it probably boils down to location and how the shows are being run and which judges they will select. Any good leader worth his or her salt will do this way ahead of time so the members can find rabbits they need to get and ask questions as well. If it is a state fair instead of local county fair, it is a BIG difference. So are specialized shows.

 

[chinbunny]

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Could it be that you may have saw different breeds there? There are 47 of them. You'd be surprised at the amount of fiars that have been doing all breed rabbit shows for many, many years.