Raymonds nest

Discussion in 'Turkeys' started by LinckHillPoultry, Jul 12, 2008.

  1. LinckHillPoultry

    LinckHillPoultry Songster

    Jan 17, 2008
    I don't think anyone here really knows, but after the huge incident of when my aunts jack russell mercilessly killed all of my sebastopol goslings, I allowed Raymond, my male pilgrim, to incubate a nest of 5 goose eggs and 2 duck eggs.

    He's been on it for quite so time, and there were a couple times, since I lost track of time, that I would lift his big butt up and look to see if there was any pipping going on under him.
    The babies, if there were to be any, I thought, would not be pure... they would be a mix of pilgrim & sebastopol... I have absolutely no idea of what that would look like, but you know what, I don't really care, because when I allowed him to incubate the eggs I just was absolutely desperate for goslings! The massacre from the jack russell has left me in such a devastated state of emotions, that I just did not care. Of course, while Raymond was incubating I ended up getting my 2 embdens, and 2 toulouse goslings, which are now quite big by the way, and they are free roaming outside now with Daffy, the lonesome cayuga x muscovy duck, who by the way has taken on the dominant Cayuga traits rather than the muscovy traits, because he is black with beautiful glossy green in his feathers that when they light hits him, he looks amazing!

    Okay, back to Raymond. I really honestly did not think any of the eggs under Raymond would hatch, because I had no idea if Raymond was in fact a pilgrim male, thus the fact he is white, or if he was an Embden female, because Raymond is really just sexually confused.
    At one point in time I'd see Raymond on top of Glenda, my female smooth-breasted sebastopol, and at another moment, he'd be all feminant sitting on his nest all maturnal and everything.

    Since Raymond was on 2 duck eggs, and duck eggs take less time than goose eggs, one of the ducklings hatched awhile back, and Raymond must've not been completely satisfied with his baby, that he pushed it out of the nest and I didn't get to it in time because it was dead.
    I have never touched any of his eggs, only one I touched to remove it because it was rotten and it stunk. So I was completely baffled as to why he did that.

    Anyways, this morning I was sitting with my pup when I decided I'd go have me a look-see at Raymonds progress.
    I went out, opened the stall door, looked to the corner where his nest is to find that outside of the nest, lay a gosling. I ran over and picked it up, figuring it was dead, to find that it was still breathing, but very cold. I picked it up, rushed in the house to my incubator, put a papertowel under it, and set it in.
    Raymond must've been ripping the shell open thinking he was helping it, because the area where its' embilical cord meats his stomach is still large, which means it still hasn't finished absorbing everything, so I just let it be, I figure it'll absorb, right?
    Anyways, when I took the one baby in I had heard peeping from under Raymond, so I went back out, picked him up, and found another baby under him. Dry, except for the fact it still had a bit of shell on his butt. Raymond must've ripped his shell open too, because he had not fully absorbed his yolk and everything either, because it was large where the embilical cord connects, and I'm hoping he'll be alright.

    I was very disapointed in Raymond, and I have no clue why he did what he did. I'm just hoping he doesn't do it to the other goslings under him.

    What are your opinions?
  2. arlee453

    arlee453 Songster

    Aug 13, 2007
    near Charlotte NC
    Wow, what a story! Raymond does seem to have some gender identity issues... [​IMG]

    I think you are doing the right thing - just keep checking them a couple times a day and removing the babies to a brooder. The yolks should absorb better without any 'ma/paternal' attention if you think he is pecking at the eggs.

    I don't think there is anything else you CAN do at this point... Hopefully you'll get some healthy and happy babies out after all this!
  3. LinckHillPoultry

    LinckHillPoultry Songster

    Jan 17, 2008
    Thanks everyone, and everyone who posted in the other post too.

    I accidentally posted two, but I don't know how that happened because I only hit post once.

    He definately does have some gender problems. I hope the babies will be alright though.
  4. LinckHillPoultry

    LinckHillPoultry Songster

    Jan 17, 2008
    The yolk on the two is not being absorbed in fully, because it is still quite large around the embilical cord area.

    The one that was pushed out of the nest however is doing better and there is a noticeable change since when I found him and now.
    I just hope they survive.

    I took the other goose eggs, because I noticed they had pipped and I did not want Raymond ripping them open.
  5. DuckyBoys

    DuckyBoys Songster

    Apr 2, 2008
    Oh I hope you get those little darlings to survive! I can't wait to see pics.

    Psssst...Raymond and I have the same problem, no not sexual identity, LOL [​IMG] , I can't stand to let them hatch themselves either.
  6. banter

    banter Songster

    Mar 3, 2008
    Raymond Maine
    This is just a thought. If you want Sebs maybe get a pair-what great parents mine have been! Mine started as pet quality with good genes and hatched 4 goslings with great potential. I have ordered a show quality Gander for shipment this fall from Holdereads to match with a very promising goose.
  7. LinckHillPoultry

    LinckHillPoultry Songster

    Jan 17, 2008
    Banter, I have 5 sebastopols, 2 females, & 3 males.
    I also have Raymond, the pilgrim male. Glenda, the smooth breasted sebastopol decided she wanted to pair with Raymond, so they did, and I couldn't seperate them. [​IMG]
    My sebastopols are out of Holderread stock, they are babies of Holderread sebbies ordered from a friend I have in Kansas. They are really nice looking birds.

    Duckyboys, I know. I'm the same way. I am very impatient and it kills me to have to wait through a hatch, I just can't have the parents ripping the egg open and harming the baby.

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