Red Laced Cornish X and project talk (pics p. 8)

[al6517]

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I prefer the pea comb and breed for the smallest ones can get away with, I vent and feather sex so comb and wattle/feather growth isn't an issue as a growth/ gender indicator. WTS I do have some who have resisted my incessant pleading to grow small pea combs LOL. But with all of the serious work I have been trying to accomplish the pea comb as been my achiles heel LOL.

AL

 

[OSUman]

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I prefer the pea comb and breed for the smallest ones can get away with, I vent and feather sex so comb and wattle/feather growth isn't an issue as a growth/ gender indicator. WTS I do have some who have resisted my incessant pleading to grow small pea combs LOL. But with all of the serious work I have been trying to accomplish the pea comb as been my achiles heel LOL.

AL

Ok that makes sense. So you have breed your meat birds so that they are easy feather sexing?

 

[al6517]

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I prefer the pea comb and breed for the smallest ones can get away with, I vent and feather sex so comb and wattle/feather growth isn't an issue as a growth/ gender indicator. WTS I do have some who have resisted my incessant pleading to grow small pea combs LOL. But with all of the serious work I have been trying to accomplish the pea comb as been my achiles heel LOL.

AL

Ok that makes sense. So you have breed your meat birds so that they are easy feather sexing?

LOL well I can feather them sex the yes, but the easy part, not so much hehehehehee.

 

[SteveH]

Al, [or anyone else], do you have an explanation as to the genetics behind the white and/or white and red chicks I mentioned in post #868?
ETA: I forgot to mention in #868 that he was also sold a few blue and green eggs from black or blue Ameraucanas, and 3 "wild partridge type" EEs, that were under my Dark Cornish and a CX. I figured the CX finally got lucky with an EE, but he claims no blue or green eggs hatched.

 

[al6517]

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I went back and took a look at that post Steve, and from what I can gather which was a little confussing. Was that there seem to be an issue as to which birds the eggs came from or the eggs got mixed up some how, or the fact that the chick had muff's and green leg's tells it's an EE of some kind and you can never know what color it's gonna be. There is just way too many variables, colors and roosters and hens of questionable lineage to be able to even guess remotely what it would. perhaps we can nail down what happened by visiting a little more.

AL

 

[SteveH]

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I went back and took a look at that post Steve, and from what I can gather which was a little confussing. Was that there seem to be an issue as to which birds the eggs came from or the eggs got mixed up some how, or the fact that the chick had muff's and green leg's tells it's an EE of some kind and you can never know what color it's gonna be. There is just way too many variables, colors and roosters and hens of questionable lineage to be able to even guess remotely what it would. perhaps we can nail down what happened by visiting a little more.

AL

I know the tan eggs were from SSs and BLRWs, and fetilized by a slate shanked, white skinned, blue splash Ameraucana with red bleed. Most of the 60 + chicks are solid blue, blue with red or gold showing, or red and blue patterned. I expected these colors from them.

The blue and green eggs were fertilized [if fertile LOL] by either a CX or one of the Dark Cornish.............................. but he says the guy incubating them for him reported that not even one blue or green egg hatched. There are 5 or 6, white, or white with red chicks with pea combs and yellow or green shanks..............................

I want to swap him out of the white chicks 'if' by process of elimination, I can determine he's wrong and they hatched from a green egg. He was sold only tan eggs from the pen with the splash roo; blue and green eggs from the pen with the DCs and CX. They were all incubated together.

I'm still learning color genetics; but with the green and yellow legs, pea combs, white or white with red feathers, I'm thinking they had to come from an EE egg inspite of the fact he says none hatched................................... and that neither Dark Cornish was the sire even though their heads and growth rate look more like straight Cornish crosses than my previous CX crosses......................... which were 3 times larger than their half siblings by 4 weeks of age. I've never succeeded in hatching one, but the EE that lays the largest egg, and is under those three roos, has laid eggs [and somtimes still does] with the tell-tale bullseye. While I doubt the DC sired these white with red chicks from a "partridge type" EE, I would want to swap him out of them, whether they came from the DC or CX, if I knew the chicks came from that pen. LOL

 

[al6517]

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I went back and took a look at that post Steve, and from what I can gather which was a little confussing. Was that there seem to be an issue as to which birds the eggs came from or the eggs got mixed up some how, or the fact that the chick had muff's and green leg's tells it's an EE of some kind and you can never know what color it's gonna be. There is just way too many variables, colors and roosters and hens of questionable lineage to be able to even guess remotely what it would. perhaps we can nail down what happened by visiting a little more.

AL

I know the tan eggs were from SSs and BLRWs, and fetilized by a slate shanked, white skinned, blue splash Ameraucana with red bleed. Most of the 60 + chicks are solid blue, blue with red or gold showing, or red and blue patterned. I expected these colors from them.

The blue and green eggs were fertilized [if fertile LOL] by either a CX or one of the Dark Cornish.............................. but he says the guy incubating them for him reported that not even one blue or green egg hatched. There are 5 or 6, white, or white with red chicks with pea combs and yellow or green shanks..............................

I want to swap him out of the white chicks 'if' by process of elimination, I can determine he's wrong and they hatched from a green egg. He was sold only tan eggs from the pen with the splash roo; blue and green eggs from the pen with the DCs and CX. They were all incubated together.

I'm still learning color genetics; but with the green and yellow legs, pea combs, white or white with red feathers, I'm thinking they had to come from an EE egg inspite of the fact he says none hatched................................... and that neither Dark Cornish was the sire even though their heads and growth rate look more like straight Cornish crosses than my previous CX crosses......................... which were 3 times larger than their half siblings by 4 weeks of age. I've never succeeded in hatching one, but the EE that lays the largest egg, and is under those three roos, has laid eggs [and somtimes still does] with the tell-tale bullseye. While I doubt the DC sired these white with red chicks from a "partridge type" EE, I would want to swap him out of them, whether they came from the DC or CX, if I knew the chicks came from that pen. LOL

Steve......... Ok................ LOL my head is spining now from all the different combo's, WTS the fact that 3 different people were invovled in the hatching could really be the culprit, as I suspect the same from your answers you may also fear that's the cause. The sole reason I hatch all my own projects and pure breeds, I keep all birds strickly paired together without any question as to their strains. Really sorry I haven't been much help Iam afraid Steve, genetics makes me dizzy too so I just try to keep it simple until I know enough to venture out of my knowledge comfort zone LOL. I thought you had an incubator if I am not mistaken ??.

AL

 

[SteveH]

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Thanks anyway Al.

I do incubate my own, but these eggs were sold to my neighbor. He had a commercially built, cabinet incubator [supposedly 600 egg capacity] with no place to put it. He gave it to somone else with the condition that they hatch eggs [usually Muscovies or guineas] for him whenever he wants.

I like to run breeding pens in a fashion that there's no chance of mixups, but have been forced to switch roos in the past without cleaning time. However, I figured chicks from a white CX roo would be easy to tell from those by the two DC roos, and wanted chicks from the same hens by both crosses anyway, so................................ . I've incubated several dozen eggs from that pen, and never hatched one yet.

 

[SteveH]

Thanks to Notafarm, I picked up a sport, white Freedom Ranger pullet today. She's over a full month younger than the {Marans/CX x White Rock} from Katy, and about identical in size but a little less wide through the breast. God willing, my white Ameraucana will be over those two and an {Ameraucana/CX} pullet this fall. I may possibly put one my white {Ameraucana/CX} cockerals over them later. [Those boys are starting to look very nice.]

 

[KatyTheChickenLady]

the red ones a girl???