Red Laced Cornish X and project talk (pics p. 8)

[KatyTheChickenLady]

ya set my head to spinnin'!

 

[SteveH]

Pics of the recent additions to my breeding pen :

Just turned 1 year old white Ameraucana cock , nice wide stance , breast , and shoulders ; but too much comb for an Ameraucana

With some of his flock

6 month old GLW pullet

6 month old SS pullets

 

[KatyTheChickenLady]

love the speckled sussex!

 

[al6517]

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Thanks slc, That is what I was getting at in my earlier post about silver + dominant white but was trying to simplify the explanation. In my little brain LOL I was trying to explain how to ID the true silver gene in a dominant white bird, I am just trying to keep all my parent stock with the silver gene so that as my program develops I don't have to worry about color or bleed through. it just seemed simpler to me to start with that and go from there, instead of having to go to f-5 before I start to cull for color and have to start all over again.

When I cull I seperate into 2 cull pens 1 pen for the definite do not want birds, and 1 pen for the birds that could develop into something I can use in other areas. the first pen just get fattened then processed, the other I watch closely for learning and in case something interesting surfaces.

AL

 

[SteveH]

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Thank you Katy . The pattern is one of my favorites and they're a real decent dual purpose breed . Sadly they will throw black off the white Am. roo [ if he's recessive white as I believe he is ] but if I keep a colored pen the pattern and red base will reappear eventually . My plan is to keep a line of white only and another of all other colors with only performance deciding who stays . However its difficult not to be swayed by the paint job and tempting to intentionally breed for it ; especially with the spangled Orloffs [ same color , different name ] , with some of the Cornish type plus muffs and beards already bred in , getting more available .

 

[KatyTheChickenLady]

ok so I really don't understand and can't grasp the color thing, (haven't spent much time trying either) but here is a question for you guys:
I have a "Buff Colombian" EE hen.
1. I crossed her with a purebred White AM roo and got offspring of every color under the rainbow white, black, red, gold - all patterned though no solids.
2. I crossed her with a pure bred Buff AM roo and got all buff offspring, most with columbian patterning, no solids
3. I crossed her with a purebred Black Am roo - so far only have 4 week old chicks they are all black with yellowish chests, black beaks, black legs.
4 Next I will be crossing her with a Blue AM roo - yet to be seen.

I am keeping 6 hens and one roo from each breeding and intend to spiral breed forever after in oreder to maintain a gene pool from the original hen.

Now my question is . . . do you think these black chicks will be black, and have a dominant gene for black, leaving me eventually years down the road with an all black flock????

 

[Jared77]

Hey Steve any issues with your SS and the combs? Im north of you but I know you still get a good share of the midwestern weather. I've heard the Sussex make a respectable DP (especially the light and buff which supposedly have even more meat) but I dont want to be out in Jan putting KY on combs and wattles to keep frostbite away.

 

[SteveH]

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Haven't owned an SS before these , but the hens lower combs shouldn't be too much of a problem . However , one of the standards for my crossbreds is a pea comb to help lower the chance of frostbitten combs .

 

[SteveH]

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I'm just beginning to learn color genetics . I'm told most white Ameraucanas are r. white . Had your roo been pure for r. white the Kippenj. Calculator shows black chicks only . Another type is just called white , and shows results more like you got . You have to remember that the visual color of an EE may look black tailed buff but be something else geneticly .
Both the black and blue roos should throw all black [ with a few blue from the blue ] chicks in the first generation , but while the calculator shows solid black or blue you will most likely see some gold [ red ] leaking on a mostly black [ or blue ] bird . A percentage of those coming from the blue roo will produce a blue base or pattern later if crossed amoungst themselves . If you don't want solid black or blue birds , choose for those with a lot of bleed and the recessive colors will crop out in the following generations . Keeping black pure [ without gold showing ] is still an issue in Ameraucanas , so loosing the solid blacks should be relatively easy IMO .
ETA : If you choose to breed those chicks showing blue plummage together , splash [ black feathers diluted to a combination of white and blue ] will start appearing .
One more additional bit of info : Blue is an incomplete dominate and works to dilute black only . Blue on black gives 50% blue , 50% black ; blue on blue gives 25% black , 50% blue , 25% spash , splash on blue gives 50% each , and splash on splash gives 100% splash . The other gene for blue is lav , or self blue , a recessive dilutant that takes two copies to be seen as a pale version of the original color but works on both black and gold [ red ] .

 

[KatyTheChickenLady]

whew that's good news! I was worried I might loose all of my marvelous color and patterns!

still need a really high quality blue roo if anyone knows of one!