Red Laced Cornish X and project talk (pics p. 8)

[WhiteMountainsRanch]

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Also, what exactly are you culling for in the color? Are you trying to get just pure whites that don't throw anything else? Why does color have such a high importance?

I happen to like the colors, you can send the colored culls to me.

 

[al6517]

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Also, what exactly are you culling for in the color? Are you trying to get just pure whites that don't throw anything else? Why does color have such a high importance?

I happen to like the colors, you can send the colored culls to me.

I really like the way those look Al, thank you for posting! They almost seem like little velociraptors! I like those a lot, they just seem to grab at me. Maybe I will start up a pen after we get our new house.

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Tracy :
They are recessive white.........................

WMR : They look terrible truth be known, but it's the best of the teens I have so I have to keep them to work with.

My whole deal with color is you can get WLR & Darks almost anywhere even hatcheries, a little more searching and you can get great breeder stock from good breeders in both of those colors. But try and get a Standard pure bred white and you'll have better luck meeting God than get a good white. So Whites are my main priority, I know my show folks would give their next newborn child for a good white and I have been offered several hundreds of $$ each for my whites. Another reason is the build's/Bodies on the whites are bigger and much stouter than WLR's & Darks and if you get a good one they almost always win big at the shows.

I like the WLR & Darks allot, also and they are still very nice birds, plus I can still use them in my program when push comes to shove.

AL

 

[WhiteMountainsRanch]

Ahhh, makes sense now!

Well I still think they're cool looking.

 

[Tracydr]

If it's recessive white, with only one gene and no other modifiers, getting the white back. Should be a matter of two generations, max.

 

[SteveH]

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Because it's recessive white, though supposedly mixed with silver in some, yes, crossing to quality DCs is a great option that has been mentioned earlier, and getting a percentage of the second generation back to white is a given. The use of recessive White Aseel is to get 100% white in the first generation and at the same time put some leg under them. Because all the true representaives are so uncommon of the mentioned breeds or varieties, you have to be dedicated to the point of obscession to keep at the breeding of them.

 

[SteveH]

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Also, what exactly are you culling for in the color? Are you trying to get just pure whites that don't throw anything else? Why does color have such a high importance?

I happen to like the colors, you can send the colored culls to me.

I'm not clear what AL is talking about, but when showing, the judges have to consider the color and pattern of the single laced WLRCs and double laced DCs when placeing the birds in order as to how close they come to the SOP.................................. if a bird is pure white with no yellowing, there are no points to be cut for color or pattern, and it has a tremendous advantage over either of the patterned varieties.

ETA: I think I have three, recessive white, crop outs from Big Medicine's chicks, two have a bit of color on their heads, one enough that it might be a splash masqueradeing as a white. Recessive white is very good at repressing color, but not perfect. One colored feather is too much.

 

[al6517]

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Also, what exactly are you culling for in the color? Are you trying to get just pure whites that don't throw anything else? Why does color have such a high importance?

I happen to like the colors, you can send the colored culls to me.

I'm not clear what AL is talking about, but when showing, the judges have to consider the color and pattern of the single laced WLRCs and double laced DCs when placeing the birds in order as to how close they come to the SOP.................................. if a bird is pure white with no yellowing, there are no points to be cut for color or pattern, and it has a tremendous advantage over either of the patterned varieties.

ETA: I think I have three, recessive white, crop outs from Big Medicine's chicks, two have a bit of color on their heads, one enough that it might be a splash masqueradeing as a white. Recessive white is very good at repressing color, but not perfect. One colored feather is too much.

Yes solid colors do better in the ring, and yes the Darks are the best option to get back to solid white in 2 generations. The Asil option is still a good one but one needs allot of seed parent stock to work with so as not to dillute the entire flock all at once, but better yet to have some F1-F2's to throw back if needed.

 

[al6517]

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all the true representaives are so uncommon of the mentioned breeds or varieties, you have to be dedicated to the point of obscession to keep at the breeding of them.

Hence my total frustration

and passion

. It's a mess but I am fast after it.

So I thought the possibility of the Hulk throwing naturaly fertile eggs was a reach, I went out to the pens to do a little milking to Dbl check ( Shut

Steve

) LOL and sure enough I got a good white sample of a decent amount

. So my optimism is better now, woooo... Hoooo little hulks at last

, he does however like to throw a buttload of quiters.

AL

 

[big medicine]

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Yes solid colors do better in the ring, and yes the Darks are the best option to get back to solid white in 2 generations. The Asil option is still a good one but one needs allot of seed parent stock to work with so as not to dillute the entire flock all at once, but better yet to have some F1-F2's to throw back if needed.

If you introduced the new blood on the female side, you could more easily limit the impact.

 

[al6517]

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Yes solid colors do better in the ring, and yes the Darks are the best option to get back to solid white in 2 generations. The Asil option is still a good one but one needs allot of seed parent stock to work with so as not to dillute the entire flock all at once, but better yet to have some F1-F2's to throw back if needed.

If you introduced the new blood on the female side, you could more easily limit the impact.

So Dark hen's over a white rooster ?? that what I was thinking and that's my best pairing as of now.