Red Laced Cornish X and project talk (pics p. 8)

[SteveH]

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No they're not related at all. The red broiler types were not developed off Cornish crosses to the best of my knowledge. A true White Laced Red Cornish is an extreemly heavy bodied, huge breasted, bird with very thick, round, and short shanks................. but take far too long in developing to be of commercial value as a meat bird. They're original commercial value was as a cross on a faster growing breed. Kfacres mentioned the requirements for hybrid vigor, and 50 years ago producers were useing very tightly bred, specific lines of Cornish they had developed to cross to also specific lines of a faster growing breed to produce the commercial meaty. However, those crosses took nearly 3 times as long to get to processing weights as the modern white commercial meaty and are now obsolete.

 

[SteveH]

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I like him......................... aside from the color he looks very much like a Buckeye.

 

[Minniechickmama]

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I like him......................... aside from the color he looks very much like a Buckeye.

You think he looks like this?

Maybe around the head is all.
Then again, I do have one Buckeye hen out here that I could have had an egg in there from, but I don't think it was.

 

[al6517]

Just dropping in to say Hey !! Ya'll.

AL

 

[SteveH]

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I like him......................... aside from the color he looks very much like a Buckeye.

You think he looks like this?
https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/40608_bucky.jpg

Maybe around the head is all.
Then again, I do have one Buckeye hen out here that I could have had an egg in there from, but I don't think it was.

To my eye, the two have very similar head and body shapes. Pictures can be very deceptive, but that particular Buckeye appears a little heavier bodied than the DC.

 

[galanie]

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There isn't anything Cornish about your WLR Cornish from MMH, more so than my dog has Cornish blood in him...

I do think your roo, should be a great meat bird producer-- if that's your fancy... I can see a slight bit of "cornish" look about this guy... which isn't too bad, considering he prob traces back to a hatchery cornish... I would guess...

Actually, the WLR in that picture was a not-quite- mature pullet, who had more Cornish to her than that picture shows. But yes, she was hatchery as is the father to the cockerel I have in my previous post. Here he is, he has the breadth, that is for sure, just lacks in a few other traits of a true Cornish:https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/40608_dumble_d.jpg
I am going for size, muscle and mass for the meat project, pure and simple. I don't care if the result on that project looks like a Cornish or not, just knew I need it in there the get the muscle and part of the mass. This guy sure gave me a good start. I have an EE that is the same age that I would like to use, but he is such a jerk he is going. I don't want to breed a bunch of nasties and regret it later. I am sure I will come back to Cornish again on this venture, but this next year I am going to try some crossbreeds from my own birds and then go from there. I want something also that I can let out and it will go eat a bug or worm or just scratch the dirt a little, not like those CRXs I have been raising - something that acts like a chicken.

I appreciate your pictures of these guys. While my Orps likely won't get as big as a JG, my roo should end up at 10 pounds at the very least. Truth is I don't have a scale currently so for all I know he's already there. He certainly is plenty heavier than the rest. Anyway, your guys are giving me a really good idea what to expect. If I end up with acceptable meat with this hatching I'll likely just raise the crosses for meat w/out growing out any but one or two pullets to replace my DC if needed.

I am going to size in my Orps as well. I want the biggest I can get. Well, and type. Lastly, egg laying, at least until I get the size I want. I'm personally willing to have fewer eggs so long as everyone is laying at least 4 times a week in the first year. Which is poor and I doubt any will be that bad. But doggone it, Orps are supposed to be dual purpose and all I see are these tiny things the hatcheries sell. I had one that was almost a year old and dressed out to 2 1/2 pounds after I removed a lot of the fat. (the fat makes great soap lol) That's crazy!

Thought I'd mention too that all mine run together but I'm in the process of building a trap nest as in this thread https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=567357&p=1
Then I'll know exactly who laid what egg so won't have to spend money on separate pens. Soon as I get my first right, I'll have 3-4 of these in the coop. I know for sure which egg the one DC hen lays currently but when the other pullets I have start laying it's likely to get confusing.

 

[SteveH]

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Hey AL. How's it goin'?

Haven't heard from Charley for ages now. You know how he's gettin' along?

Crossroads is going to be coming up very soon, and I hope to see you guys there.

 

[galanie]

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I would love to do this but for the fact I can't have more than one or two roo around here at a time. Two is pushing things and more than that = I know I'd get lynched lol. The discussion is making me think of alternatives though. Wouldn't have the quality you'd have but for sure would have something to eat that I don't have to buy chicks for every year and be healthier.

 

[al6517]

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Hey AL. How's it goin'?

Haven't heard from Charley for ages now. You know how he's gettin' along?

Crossroads is going to be coming up very soon, and I hope to see you guys there.

Charley is doing fine, Visited with him the other day. He lost a White Cornish rooster who was a valued member of his breeder flock and doesn't know why. He has been working on a few big barn pen's right now.

Yeah Crossroads is coming up, we are working on doing a big 2 truck carpool with a few guy's but Hotels might be scarce, things are still pretty much up in the air, but Shawnee is allways a go.

Things are fine here not much happening things are slow, I am preparing for my winter hatching season.

AL

 

[kfacres]

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No, that's now what I am doing.... I am focusing on making better pure Cornish... The only reason I said that's what I have, is that I have 4 WLR pullets (hatched by SteveH), that are sired by a very good, thick DC roo-- and out of hatchery Q WLR hens. That, IMO would put them as DC x DP birds... take them and mate them to either my DC roo, or the BLRC project roo-- and I would have the pullets that my idea would require.

Now in terms of creating the other line-- I know that Steve has been trying to work on getting something out of the CX pullets, and AMeraucana roos. I think he's got one young k right now... That would be a great start... but I'm thinking something a little bigger than an Ameraucana would be a better choice..>Something like a buckeye, or barred rock... BR would also give you sex links...

But, since I'm close to having what I think could be a great breeding project... I might go ahead and kick start it...