Red Rum .... I mean ..... Red Bum

[casportpony]

Where did this 3cc Safeguard in the water originate from? I don't think people realize how little wormer their chickens are getting that way.

300mg in one gallon? My big hens get no les than 60mg (.6ml) for 3-5 days in a row.


-Kathy

 

[darkbrahmamama]

https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/423896/de-worming-chickens-with-goat-safeguard-fenbendazole

https://sites.google.com/a/poultrypedia.com/poultrypedia/medicine-chart

 

[casportpony]

https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/423896/de-worming-chickens-with-goat-safeguard-fenbendazole

https://sites.google.com/a/poultrypedia.com/poultrypedia/medicine-chart

No offense to any of the posters in that thread or to the author of the website, but I don't think anyone has stopped to think about how much a chicken actually drinks in a day. Plus it's an old thread, ask the original posters what they think now.

Where on the chart does it say 3cc per gallon? This is what I found:

"Dose of Safeguard 10% liquid:
Nematodes--0.7 cc (mL) orally, or 1 1/2 TB per gal. drinking water. Repeat once after 10 days.
Giardiasis--1.2 cc (mL) orally, or 2 1/3 TB per gal. drinking water. Repeat 3 days."

1.5 TB = 22ml
2 1/3 TB = 34.5ml

Or am I missing something?

-Kathy

 

[casportpony]

You have horses, so ask your horse vet to look up the a Safeguard dose for chickens that will get roundworms, cecal worms, gapeworms and capillary worms.

-Kathy

 

[darkbrahmamama]

The horse vet actually thought I was odd for putting a chicken with a broken leg in a sling, giving her comfrey, & when i asked them their opinion on Rooster Booster for deworming (as I've given them that 3 times since I've owned them) they said to buy a chemical dewormer specifically for chickens. They're awesome for dogs, cats, & horses ...... not so much chickens.

You're correct that the math doesn't match. Don't know what I was thinking. I'm sure that I could contact 1000 people & some would swear by that amount, others by ivermectin, some by pumpkin seed, & others by zimectrin gold (which I have seen HORRIBLE reactions with in horses, so I'll never use for my chickens).

I know safeguard is pretty safe, so it looks like I'll be deworming them again tomorrow ..... this time right down the hatch ...... time will tell if the bald butt will get feathers or not. I know the others aren't impressed that they get to go thru the same thing, even though none of them are bald!

 

[subhanalah]

With overuse of one pesticide, you run the very real risk of creating resistance.

I suspect you have mites that are resistant to your spray, and you NEED to find something else. Then again, I could be wrong and it could be infection or something.

Would you be able to bring her home to isolate her to see if there is anything discovered upon observation?

It really is hard to dx without having the bird in front of you. Why can't more vets care for chickens!

 

[casportpony]

No offense, really, but it sounds like your horse vet is a little narrow minded. The horse vets I'm used to dealing with are usually up for the challenge when I ask them questions like that, but they are vets that I've been working with for *many* years, so maybe that's why.

You might find this helpful/interesting:
Source: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6750887
Efficacy of fenbendazole against helminth parasites of poultry in Uganda.

Ssenyonga GS.
Abstract

Fenbendazole 4% (Panacur, Hoechst) administered in feed was used to treat chickens infected with Ascaridia galli, Heterakis gallinarum and Railletina spp. It was also used to treat Syngamus trachea in broiler birds. There was a marked drop in helminth egg counts in the faeces on the second day of treatment and the faeces became negative by the seventh day after the last treatment. Post-mortem examination 15 to 21 days later showed that the drug was 100% effective against Ascaridia galli and Heterakis gallinarum at 10 mg/kg. However, for complete removal of Railletina spp. 15 mg/kg was required. Similarly 20 mg/kg fenbendazole was effective against Syngamus trachea. It was concluded that fenbendazole is suitable for the treatment of the important intestinal and tracheal worms of poultry, a dose of 15 to 20 mg/kg for 3 consecutive days being recommended for use under field conditions.

Based on the above info, other studies and info from Plumb's Veterinary Drug Handbook and a couple of other books, I de-worm my poultry with Safeguard liquid or paste as follows:

• For cecal and roundworms - 50mg/kg by mouth and repeat in ten days. That's .5ml per 2.2 pounds.
• For gapeworms and some tapeworms - No less than 20mg/kg for threes days in a row. That's .2ml per 2.2 pounds
• For capillary worms - no less than 50mg/kg for 5 days in a row. That's .5ml per 2.2 pounds.

Much thought and research has gone into the above, but so far it seems to work for me.

-Kathy

 

[darkbrahmamama]

It's my area. Chickens aren't seen as important, not as animals to spend money on. Most owners don't treat for parasites, external nor internal, at all, ever. Chicken coops MAY get cleaned out once a year. Old age for a chicken is 3 years, if they don't die before 4 it's a miracle. They really are a throw away animal in my area. I'm seen as crazy for doing what I do, especially for mixing BOSS, meaties, & scratch for them! But I check them weekly, sometimes multiple times a week, for external parasites. Not saying that there isn't SOMETHING hiding in their stall that I never see on them .... if there is it will survive an atomic bomb .... I've had my vet for years, & they do more for me without having to come out & see one of my animals when other vets will charge $100 call fee alone. But long before I started using them they were strictly working on large farm animals, mostly cows since this was a heavy dairy farming area in it's day. The vets that started out on, or only work on, small animals will probably give me advice, but only if I bring the chicken in & get a fecal test done. No offense, but I didn't take the one chicken in that had a broken leg. I'm not going to spend $75 just to get an opinion. Hopefully the Rooster Booster has done SOMETHING for some worms, though I know it CLAIMS it'll only take care of a few. I'll hit them with the safeguard at the proper amount today. Luckily the oldest ones are only 1 yr & 5 months, so they haven't gone TOO long with being underdosed, & I've NEVER seen any signs of worms, from them nor in their poop.

 

[subhanalah]

Well, you asked for advice, we gave it.
It's your prerogative to ignore it if you wish.

 

[darkbrahmamama]

Oh, I'm not ignoring. Today I'm going to hit them with the safeguard dose that Kathy recommended. I know animals don't need dewormed a lot, usually twice a year is sufficient. Hopefully the Rooster Booster they got worked on some worms so they the correct dose of safeguard isn't a shock if they do have worms, or at least if LG, the red butt in question, has them.