Republican Debate?

[deerman]

AquaEyes being a Democrat on a republican thread, be carefull ,you will be changing parties before long...

Myself i belong to neither........one big problem with our goverment now. they can't get anything done because all the fighting between parties. We need to break up all this crap ,if they belong to a party you have to vote like the rest of the party.

Be nice if we had about 10 parties ,so no one party would be in control........


AE think you are on your way to the republican side....trying to help pick their candidate....myself i will be happy with one who can win , to get Obama out. has to be worst we have. had....back to Ford.


Your comment about Medcare ....that the working man been paying into all their life, now has been use for Medcaid which goes to those that didn't pay into SS. Cut Medcaid , but leave Medicare alone those pay for it all their working years.

 

[Royd]

AquaEyes, I didn't want to separate out your post about the Tea Party, so I'll just respond. I am a supporter and would consider myself a member.
What I take for all of the gatherings is one overriding theme and that is: Government is getting too big, getting out of hand and needs to stay out of our personal business....Many of the things, which you seem to embrace.

How many threads have I run across on this site where, because of government, life is just not the same quality that it used to be.

Grandma can no longer bake cakes and pies for a little extra Christmas money, without investing in a $70,000 state certified commercial kitchen.

A family business, which raises rabbits for meat and pets, ends up with a $90,000 fine, because they sold $500 more product than was allowed by some limit, arbitrarilly established by some know nothing bureaucrats.

There's a thread running, right now, about raw milk sales.

It is dangerous to conduct any kind of personal business, without thousands of dollars in liscenses, fees and insurance, because we have become a sue happy nation. No wonder noone wants to help their fellow man, to give them a hand up or a hand out.

And yes, I am a supporter of the Fair Tax....The biggest source of fear, stress and unproductivity is the IRS....Everyone, with any kind of income, spends 4 months, every year, with that deer in the headlights look, because we never know what kind of punitive new laws have been enacted, to turn each and every one of us into a criminal, if the Justice Dept. so chooses.

Maybe you enjoy that kind of a heavy hand in your life, but I don't.


Edited to add: If I were to pick one word to describe the attitude of our current government, Nefarious is the word which comes to mind.....Nothing is what it seems.

 

[Amigo]

9-9-9! I am a Tea Partier also.

 

[Amigo]

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To a degree, I agree. But there is one thing that the President has the Constitutional authority to do that can have a major impact.

Veto.

I swear, Dr. Paul would probably set a record for number of vetoes in a single term.

Yeah!

 

[chickened]

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When did I assume that?

A condition that has to happen for your social contract theory to work.

Social contract theory is just that a theory and has no reality where the rubber meets the road.

Uprisings/revolutions/etc. seem to disagree.

Read here: http://www.iep.utm.edu/soc-cont/

One can become to dependant on the government/society and loose all sense of sustainability and reason and operate out of a learned condition..

Yep, as previous posts have indicated, I'm not keen on allowing food sources to get funneled through private/corporate/government means only.

I agree.

Why do you suppose the foreigners from eastern block countries do so well here ?

There are many factors coming into play on what groups do well financially at what time. That said, most of the immigrants I know from places like China and India, within this particular area, come from wealthy families to begin with, as they were the ones who could afford to come over. Considering several of my coworkers are working the same level job as I do despite holding PhDs in their country makes me think that others coming over who do not have wealthy origins probably fair less well. I can't base it on anything though, as I only know of one girl from India who is not here on her family's dime, and that is due to being here temporarily on scholarship. Statistics and analysis would be needed to answer your question and to see how certain groups of immigrants rank on an economic scale. But, not sure what that has to do with the addressed issue of whether or not poverty exists within the US.


Poverty is eliminated by hard work, entrepreneurship and opportunity.

The idea of giving the poor some money and presto they are no longer poor does not work. I could give you a home worth 10 million and you could not afford to keep it. Again what you say has all been tried through out history and failed but alas each new generation with its' new found knowledge will try and cure the ilks of society and the sad part is the answer is right in their face.

When did I suggest money alone would solve class issues? I believe I stated at least two times prior that many factors go into class issues. That said, ignoring, stereotyping, or trivializing poverty is definitely not going to cure the ilks of society, or even help alleviate them.

I was told that I needed to get off my butt, get a job and be a productive contributing citizen, if that is stereotyping, trivializing or ignoring me I must say it did motivate me and so does being hungry.

The poor are simply not poor because they lack money there are too many other factors involved.

So are they poor? That is the original statement I was addressing, and I still have not heard a response as to whether it is agreed that poor people exist within America or not.

Truly poor I admit may exist in very small numbers I would characterize the ones I refer to within the borders as not comfortable rather than poor. Poor is the guy living in Mexico City that does not know if he has food for his family. This type of poor is the type I am for helping and quite frankly I just do not see that in America. Every city that I know of has food banks, missions and heck 2 rural churches offer a free meal 2 times a week in my community alone and it is an unincorporated area.

You are free to respond to this but it really is off topic and I would be glad to discuss it more PM.


Aquaeyes, woah....do you work at the same building I do? XD​

 

[jennh]

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[FourPawz]

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So let's use that comment above. Policy that contradicts evidence, like the way Democrats believe government should be the creator of jobs, and the regulator of everything we do from sunup to sundown? We certainly cannot trust the hoi polloi to pick the correct automobile or even light bulb, without government holding their hands, now, can we? And, whatever could go wrong lending half a billion bucks to a brand new manufacturer of solar panels?

To change the subject, speaking of context, here's a little Seneca for ya

"Nothing is void of God, his work is everywhere his full of himself."
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

"So live with men as if God saw you and speak to God, as if men heard you."
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

"I will govern my life and thoughts as if the whole world were to see the one and read the other, for what does it signify to make anything a secret to my neighbor, when to God, who is the searcher of our hearts, all our privacies are open?"
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

And a last thought from one of the more famous Stoics..."I don't trust liberals, I trust conservatives."

Lucius Annaeus Seneca

 

[cupman]

The GOP is like whack-a-mole... every few weeks a new candidate throws their hat in the ring and everybody swarms to them. First it was Michelle "pray the gay away" Bachmann with her crazy nonsense. She was doing very well in the polls. Then people got to know her a little better and now nobody supports her. Then came Rick Santorum, his 15 minutes came and went pretty quick. Then came our knight in shining armor... Governor Rick Perry. Well the same thing happened to him, people loved him, got to know him, didn't love him anymore. Then there was Herman Cain. Reading over this thread you will see his supporters. Even one guy claiming that Herman Cain could beat Obama in the general election(lol). Now I'm hearing people say Chris Christie for president! The GOP can't make up it's mind, they have ADHD. It's like all the candidates should just have a contest to see who is the biggest Christian, then republicans could settle on a candidate they could all vote for.

 

[jennh]

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I don't think the two are in the same category...and that's all I'll say to avoid the temptation to Sarah-bash, being as this is a Republican thread.

 

[punk-a-doodle]

A condition that has to happen for your social contract theory to work.

Sweet, it's my theory? ;D However, no. I am not saying other people have decided to do so in other countries. Often the decision rests quite nicely out of the reach of the masses.

Read here: http://www.iep.utm.edu/soc-cont/

Glanced over it...seems the author needs to go back and do some reading...

We continue to believe, according to Mills, in the myths that social contract theory tells us – that everyone is equal, that all will be treated the same before the law, that the Founding Fathers were committed to equality and freedom for all persons, etc

Is just one glaring example of this, as it seems to just pull from Locke. I have not read Mills' book, so I have no idea if that is actually what his text even said. Even from this same link, "Mills’ central argument is that there exists a ‘racial contract’ that is even more fundamental to Western society than the social contract", the sentence there just says one overshadows another, not replaces.

Poverty is eliminated by hard work, entrepreneurship and opportunity.

I have not found 'hard work' to be a determinant of individual economic growth. As I have seen from personal experience and in those around me, as one moves up the pay scale, work load and hours tend to decrease with the increase of a pay check. Would be interesting to see a study. Job opportunity can help eliminate poverty within some cultures, but can create it in others where self-sustainablity is replaced by dependence on a pay check to access resources.

I was told that I needed to get off my butt, get a job and be a productive contributing citizen, if that is stereotyping, trivializing or ignoring me I must say it did motivate me and so does being hungry.

I suggest books like, "Nickle and Dimed", or talking with others who work and yet still are not making enough to get by on. Or hey, there was always the case where my husband and I were working back to back 12 hour security shifts and living out of our car at the only place we could find work at the time, and how we were treated versus our minority coworkers (we weren't treated well, but they got an even rawer deal). To say that poor people are all sitting around on their butts is a stereotyped outlook that does not actually help with class issues, yes.

You are free to respond to this but it really is off topic and I would be glad to discuss it more PM.

True, it is rather OT. Hate PMing though, so probably will be my last post.​