Republican Debate?

[punk-a-doodle]

I don't agree with the other statement. In my experience as you move up the pay scale, the work you do changes. You may do less physical work, but the quality and value of the work increases

Aye, my experience has been the opposite, but it is (tried to state it this way), just my experience. I have not seen any data or studies either way, but would be very interested to see some.

 

[dlee]

Common sense is what we all need to use. I really love the nickname congress has given to Ron Paul "Dr. No"...He has voted no on all bills that did not make comon sense or agree with the Consitutuion. His record speaks for itself=no on any pay raise for congress people/ no on any war that we did not belong in/ he returns any unused money from his congress fund & I think he is the ONLY one who does return money he don't use. Sure, he has faults but he is the only one, on both sides, that tells the truth. The left does feal Ron Paul very much, if he does win, they will lose all the control over the people of this country that they have been gaining for several decades. Dems. & Repubs. have no difference between them, they all are after complete control of everything & everyone.


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[punk-a-doodle]

Edit: Reposted as reply didn't show up, aaand of course it decides to show up now.

 

[Ridgerunner]

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Aye, my experience has been the opposite, but it is (tried to state it this way), just my experience. I have not seen any data or studies either way, but would be very interested to see some.

I agree. We all have different experiences and that factors into how we feel about certain topics.

Raising kids is a great example for me. Before I started, I had theories about that. But actually being faced with practical application caused me to rethink some theories. Experience is a great teacher, but we don't all get the same thing from our experiences, even if we share the same experience, which most of us don't.

 

[AquaEyes]

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Hahaha...warning heeded, though I doubt I'll ever call myself Republican, unless the party undergoes a major make-over, in which case it'd be a different party with the same name. My reasons are that while I am often fiscally conservative in my opinions, I am most definitely socially liberal -- which is actually much like the way I believe our founding fathers thought. The making of this nation was a radical idea at the time, breaking away from conventional ideas of how a nation should be governed, inspired by writers like Voltaire. Being socially conservative at that time would be remaining complacent with monarchy rule. I believe that being socially conservative is trying to halt progress that will happen inevitably anyway. That mindset is not popular with most of the Republican party, and most of the party's positions on issues reflect that. For me and my concerns, I find agreement with candidates that identify as being "fiscally conservative Democrats." But the overlap does allow me to find some agreement with some Republican candidates' ideas...though total agreement with the candidate is very rare. That's just me.

 

[AquaEyes]

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So let's use that comment above. Policy that contradicts evidence, like the way Democrats believe government should be the creator of jobs, and the regulator of everything we do from sunup to sundown? We certainly cannot trust the hoi polloi to pick the correct automobile or even light bulb, without government holding their hands, now, can we? And, whatever could go wrong lending half a billion bucks to a brand new manufacturer of solar panels?

To change the subject, speaking of context, here's a little Seneca for ya

"Nothing is void of God, his work is everywhere his full of himself."
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

"So live with men as if God saw you and speak to God, as if men heard you."
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

"I will govern my life and thoughts as if the whole world were to see the one and read the other, for what does it signify to make anything a secret to my neighbor, when to God, who is the searcher of our hearts, all our privacies are open?"
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

And a last thought from one of the more famous Stoics..."I don't trust liberals, I trust conservatives."

Lucius Annaeus Seneca

My analogy to creating policy based on belief contradicted by evidence was in reference to "believing" that you are in the black, but evidence showing you are in the red. I meant nothing about theoretical arrangements of "what is best" which is subjective. If you "believe" you won the lottery (but you didn't) and behaved accordingly, you'd be in a big mess when the bills start coming in. That was my point.

I'm not going further into your quotes other than to say that his comment on religion wasn't an affirmation of atheism, but rather an aversion to organized dogma. If you unite people by common belief and following all the same rules, you are capable of controlling them. That was Seneca's point....not debating whether there was a god or not.

 

[AquaEyes]

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I'm sure a guy who died in 65 AD is relevant to American politics 2000 years later.

And it's not shocking that a stoic would be distrustful of liberals...if you understand what the stoics believed.

 

[AquaEyes]

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I'm sure a guy who died in 65 AD is relevant to American politics 2000 years later.

He IS relevant, maybe not to politics per se, but as a way of life. The world would be a MUCH better place if everyone lived by His word, myself included. I am not perfect, but I do believe in His teachings, and try to live my life by them!

That is your opinion, and you have the right to believe that way. Had you completed your second sentence with the addition of "in my opinion" or something to that effect, I wouldn't have a problem. But stating it as an absolute -- "it would be" as opposed to "I think it would be" -- bothers me, and anyone else who does not follow the same religion you do. Following your religion apparently works for you. Following your religion does not work for me. And I'm just fine going on my own path, thank you very much.

ETA -- I just realized why you wrote this. You mistakenly thought the person who died in 65AD mentioned above was Jesus, but it was referring to Seneca the Younger. Seneca died around 20-30 years after the date ascribed to Jesus's death (though we don't know for sure, as there is some contradictory information in the story of Jesus with respect to known historical timelines).

 

[jennh]

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Kind of like Obama calling for more "revenues". Call it what it is------more TAXES!

 

[ChikeeMomma]

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Again, here is the issue:

First person says region A supports region B financially.

Second person says region B supports region A financially.

This is not something that is subjective -- they can't both be true. How to find out? Crunch numbers.

OK, numbers crunched for each year. Region B contributes $28 billion in tax revenue. Region A contributes $7 billion in tax revenue. Region B receives $17 billion in state funding. Region A receives $12 billion in state funding. Data presented to both people. First person says "I don't care...I still believe region A supports region B financially, despite evidence to the contrary."

Tell me how that relates to changing a person's political beliefs from Democrat to Republican.

AquaEyes - I won't debate (regardlesss of what reports/numbers you throw out) because we are so absolutely different. There are so many numbers from this or that that always contradict one another. I cling to my views just as you cling to yours. I say to each his own. We could go on forever and ever and ever..............

I do find it so annoying when someone thinks that you are totally moronic for siding with this party or that. Not saying that you feel this way AquaEyes, but some do treat others this way. America is changing before our eyes. I, for one, like the fact that Tea Party members are holding elected positions. Sometimes we need to experience a little discomfort in life, so that we realize that maybe something needs to change -- elected officials, Democrat or Republicans, included. The long time politicians are facing that discomfort right now. Remember, the elected Tea Party members did not get where they are by magical happenstance. They were put into office by your family members, co-workers, neighbors, and friends. All this said, I do not proclaim to be a Tea Party supporter. I don't know what my title is, maybe Independent. My views/voting record air on the conservative side, but I like to hear from every candidate.