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[Victoria-nola]

You're continuing to say the same thing, which is that the plant aconite is the same thing as the homeopathic remedy Aconite, which is simply not true. In fact, some people who are "against" homeopathy do so on the basis that there is so little left of the original substance in the final homeopathic remedy that therefore homeopathic remedies have no actual medicine in them and therefore homeopathy couldn't possibly work. Neither point of view is correct.

Homeopathic remedies are made by taking a certain amount of a substance, then diluting it over and over, many thousands of times in some cases. It is an energy medicine more than a pharmaceutical medicine. Nevertheless, it works. Homeopathic works on the principle of similars: what would CAUSE the symptom in the body is given in infinitesimal dose, which nudges the body to heal itself. Allopathic (today's standard Western medicine) works on the principle of opposites to quash symptoms. The systems view symptoms very differently.

btw, Wikipedia is just as hostile to alternative health practices as drugs.com.

Homeopathy does not hurt a being who tries it. It will either alleviate the problem, or it won't. But it doesn't hurt anyone. That is part of its nature.

 

[Chris09]

I agree with Daug, now Victoria-nola before you get defensive with me like you did to Daug, I do not disagree with homeopathic remedies but I will draw a line with something that has been known to be poisons and or deadly.

botanical.com :

Various species of Aconite possess the same narcotic properties as A. Napellus, but none of them equal in energy the A. ferox of the East Indies, the root of which is used there as an energetic poison under the name of Bikh or Nabee. Aconite poisoning of wells by A. ferox has been carried out by native Indians to stop the progress of an army. They also use it for poisoning spears, darts and arrows, and for destroying tigers.

botanical.com :

All children should be warned against Aconite in gardens. It is wiser not to grow Aconite among kitchen herbs of any sort. The root has occasionally been mistaken for horse-radish, with fatal results - it is, however, shorter, darker and more fibrous - and the leaves have produced similar fatal results. In Ireland a poor woman once sprinkled powdered Aconite root over a dish of greens, and one man was killed and another seriously affected by it.

Chris​

 

[Victoria-nola]

Chris09: It's not "defensiveness" to correct false statements and present facts. I have been actively studying and utilizing alternative health practices for 35 years. I appreciate that BYC wants to ensure that information given is helpful and true, but if you are not educated about homeopathy you are not in a position to judge whether the information is valid or not.

You are making the same mistake that Dawg53 is making: The plant/root aconite and the homeopathic remedy Aconite are not the same thing. The homeopathic remedy has a few molecules of aconite in it. It is not poisonous. period. There are many remedies in homeopathy, everything from daisies to gold to mercury to foxglove. None of the homeopathic remedies are poisonous or dangerous. I didn't suggest that anyone plant aconite in their gardens, nor did I recommend to take a root and give it to a chicken (in fact I simply related what my veterinarian instructed me to do). Homeopathic remedies are made in labs with proper procedures and have been in constant use for 200 years. The principle of similarities, upon which homeopathy is based, was first articulated in medieval Europe and has itself been in continuous use among folk healers for thousands of years. There have always been licensed MDs who are also homeopathic doctors, and more and more MDs are choosing the Integrative Medicine route.

I repeat: My fully board certified veterinarian prescribed the homeopathic remedy called Aconite (Aconitum) for my chickens, who responded very quickly and positively and after 2 days of open-beak breathing, are now back to normal. Do you actually think a veterinarian would prescribe poison for a patient?

My chickens also get Avia Charge (vitamins, minerals, and enzymes) and Immune Booster (probiotics) [McMurray Hatchery products] in their water. So their ability to respond to gentle stimuli is well conditioned. It helps, in alternative medicine, if the patient already has good health practices.

 

[karithatswho]

ginger and garlic or homeopathic...

 

[animaladdictions]

I have no education when it comes to homeopathic anything, but can I just make a small point? The poster was looking for advise, not a debate. If Im not mistaken, isnt something like a "prescription" pain pill, made from stuff like, extremely poisonous animals and/or plants? Whats the difference? Victoria was simply offering up a solution that worked for her, and that was recommended by an actuall practicing VET! Unless I read it wrong, she never said for anyone to go out and give a poisonous plant to a chicken. Im just sayin.

Happy THANKSGIVING!!

 

[GLBRWyans]

Hello ,

I like to use Tylan injectable . Often times when birds are sick they don't drink much water , so you can't always be sure they are getting enough Tylan mixed in the water . It also works faster in my humble opinion . Jedds Pigeon Supply out of California has one of the most comprehensive supply of medicines for chickens , pigeons and rabbits . You may even take a look at New England Poultry . Get their catalogs , especially Jedds . Jedds is good enough to ship flat rate sometimes which saves money on shipping . Their catalogs is very user friendly with a
complete index so that you can find exactly what you are looking for . Ask for Gregg . Tell him Stephen in Louisiana sent you . They are super nice and very helpful . Their catalog is probably 3/4's of an inch think . That's a lot of product . Also , Doxycyclene /Tylan mixed together in the water is good too .

 

[gabbyscritters]

I will check out that resource. So far none have gotten worse, about the same, but they are still active and eating. There does seem to be a few more with same symptoms but the first one we noticed are not worse, which I guess is good.
We just keep offering them goodies and watching them.
I'm just glad that non have become lethargic. I know it takes time for antiotics to work if they are going to help.
I have been leary about injections. So far they are drinking well, they usually are on nipple jugs but I have switched over to water bowls, which are a hit.

 

[GLBRWyans]

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No need to be leary of injections , often times it delivers the medicine quicker than oral route , but I certainly understand your position on injections . As long as they are
drinking the medicated water that is a good thing . Birds are so good at hiding illnesses until it's to late sometimes . Birds should start improving within 48 hrs after being medicated
anything longer than that , one needs to rethink what may be going on , like a secondary problem . Personally , I use injections and pills more than medicated water and I definitely stay
away from those medicines that say they treat 4 different illnesses with one pill or powder .

 

[GLBRWyans]

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Garlic is a great immune booster and has many , many positive benefits . My birds get it at least once a week . We use a clove and smash it and put it in the drinking water . If it's to strong they won't drink it , so we don't use much .

 

[easttxchick]

Send a PM to Resolution. Real smart guy with tons of great info on illnesses in poultry.