Ribh's D'Coopage

@BY Bob, @CrazyChookChookLady, @micstrachan ~ or anyone else with some experience of integrating younger pullets...

I am wanting to move my Littlies in with my bigger girls so thoughts & opinions on when would be the optimum time to do this. Do you think they are big enough now or should I wait a bit longer? And I still have them on chick starter. When do you think I should change them over to layer mash? The breeder said when they started laying but my POLs were already on Layer mash when I got them. I have no experience & am really clueless ~ plus worried about doing the wrong thing.
 
Remind me how many weeks old they are? And are the littles mostly bantams and the bigs mostly standard? How many littles and how many bigs? Have they had any see-no-touch time yet?

This last time around, I did several weeks of integration only during supervised free range time from pretty early on, followed by several more weeks of see-no-touch time when I could not supervise. I let the littles decide when to try to roost with the big girls.

A couple things to consider are size differences, difference in number of birds, space constraints, voice differences... I would not start layer feed until they are getting close to point of lay (though my flock is on 1/2 layer, 1/2 finisher... all flock causes intestinal issues fir Roxy.)

You can always test out free range time together where the littles can get away. Do you have any crates where they can be in with the big girls, but can’t be touched?
 
Remind me how many weeks old they are? And are the littles mostly bantams and the bigs mostly standard? How many littles and how many bigs? Have they had any see-no-touch time yet?

This last time around, I did several weeks of integration only during supervised free range time from pretty early on, followed by several more weeks of see-no-touch time when I could not supervise. I let the littles decide when to try to roost with the big girls.

A couple things to consider are size differences, difference in number of birds, space constraints, voice differences... I would not start layer feed until they are getting close to point of lay (though my flock is on 1/2 layer, 1/2 finisher... all flock causes intestinal issues fir Roxy.)

You can always test out free range time together where the littles can get away. Do you have any crates where they can be in with the big girls, but can’t be touched?


My small coop is in my big run so my big girls have been able to see the new girls for the last 6 weeks or so. This week I let the littlies out in the big run for the 1st time. Once they'd found their way around I let my big girls out. There have been no real incidents.

The new girls are 10~12 weeks roughly I think. I have 3 standard & 4 bantams. The bantams include 2 Japanese , I Belgian Frizzle & 1 Aracuna X Frizzle. The bantams are still really tiny but Desdemona 's comb & wattles are reddening up nicely. I haven't had these breeds before so not sure how big they'll actually get.

The Wyandottes & Vorwerk are getting their big girl voices. The other 4 are still peeping.

There is plenty of roosting space in the big coop but the coop run will be a little tight until I open the gate into the large run.

The older girls consist of 8 standards & 2 bantams. Of the standards 4 are only a little larger than bantams [small standards]: 3 Campines & 1 Aracauna + 2 Wyandotte bantams.
 
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Bedtime is crazy with this lot.
The Little ones are anxious to go to bed but the bigger girls are malingering.

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Then they walk right over the top of the little girls.
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Last, last, lucky last.
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Wow! Not one of the three broodies here gained weight! Even though Mary and Peggy are diligent eaters while brooding, they lost weight. I was afraid Ivy would fade away without encouragement.
I used to weigh the chickens here on a regular basis, especially the broodies.
I was talking about it with the guy I know who keeps game fowl. I was concerned because Mini Minx had lost almost a quarter of her body weight since I last weighed her and she was sitting. She got up every day and did all the right things, ate like a horse.
My friend asked when did I weigh her. I told him the date. He said "no, no when did you weigh her." We have language problems needless to say. He speaks a very strange combination of Spanish and Morrocan and I speak Catalan and English.:rolleyes:
Eventually I came to understand what he was asking was at what point in her egg cycle had I weighed her. Well, now the penny dropped as they say and it didn't take much of a leap in intelligence to realise that if you weigh a laying hen immediately after she has laid her egg you get her true body weight. Onn the other hand, if you weigh her just before she lays an egg you get her body weight and the weight of the egg! Sitting hens won't be making eggs so any comparison unless the weight is taken just after egg laying is likely to cause alarm.
It's another one of those pearls of wisdom one doesn't see mentioned that experienced chicken keepers know about. Not quite sure what that says about some here on BYC.:hmm
So, weigh your hens straight after they've laid an egg. That will give you their true body weight.

Very roughly, between one third and one quarter of a hens food intake goes to make an egg. If a hen eats the same amount of food when she is not laying she should in theory put on weight. After all, she isn't rushing about burning off calories while she sits. So, if you measure the amount of feed a hen eats while she is laying and then measure the amount she eats while sitting you have a reasonable indication of whether she is eating enough. My game fowl friend weighs the poop. His hens are confined on their own, or with their rooster so this is easy.

The best sitters here, as in most feral and independent do a double eat. They get off their nests and head straight for the nearest food source. They eat first, then broody poop, then dust bath, poop a bit more, chat with their mates and forage.
I got told to leave feed down right until the hen gets back on the nest because Donk for example will go back to the feed point after foraging and fill up on the commercial feed. It's the second feed that seems to be the key here.
 
Good evening folks :frow

Jeannie I would keep them on the grower/starter until they lay. The grower/starter won't hurt the big girls. If need be, you can switch everyone to the grower/starter, just be sure to serve up plenty of calcium on the side so the bigs can manage what they need.
 
Good evening folks :frow

Jeannie I would keep them on the grower/starter until they lay. The grower/starter won't hurt the big girls. If need be, you can switch everyone to the grower/starter, just be sure to serve up plenty of calcium on the side so the bigs can manage what they need.

Thanks Bob. Feed was one of my worries in moving the Littlies in with the Big Girls.
 
Thanks Bob. Feed was one of my worries in moving the Littlies in with the Big Girls.
If you wanted to put both feeds out you'd probably be okay as well. Chickens don't particularly like change, especially when it comes to their feed. If both were available, the bigs would likely gravitate to their normal layer feed and the babies to their starter. Of course, both groups would be inclined to check out the other stuff.
 

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