Ribh's D'Coopage

[MaryJanet]

I thought Shad said chickens could not fly! Do you have a way to commemorate babies first break out?

Reminds me of this clip, I'm sure "They are not Organized".

I love how the Red one is the leader! So funny

 

[MaryJanet]

I don't know anything about the subject. One of my half brothers who is a professor in some strange period of history sent me the file.
We were dsicussing the need some people have for cultural identity and Nationalism in general.
I have ancestors but I'm whatever it says on my passport.

From the abstract, I thought Geary was supporting cultural identities and narratives and pointing out why European cultural narratives don't ring true. I may not undertake the whole paper Shad, I have enough trouble keeping up with my own field

 

[Shadrach]

If your half brother is an historian he should know better! lol Now thems some fighting words. I'm sorry, Shad, but I'd want much better documentation than this article. Where are his notes & sources? Where's the archaeological data? This is more a philosophical treatise than a serious academic look @ the evolution of European nations & completely ignores what was happening across Asia that started pushing peoples westward. It takes no account of climatic conditions ~ always a factor to be considered~ or the fact Europe was trading all the way down into the middle eastern countries as far back as the Galatians & Russos.

Where one lives in part determines how communities evolve. The Vikings are a classic example. When one is hemmed in by snow 9 months of the year with a short growing season & incredibly difficult terrain then raiding by sea becomes a natural alternative.

My passport says I'm Australian but the majority of my extended family still lives in Scotland. I'm not so sure it's national identity so much ~ though as an Australian we can be a little funny that way as so many of us began uprooted by force from family & home~ as family identity & by extension community. When I was a child people still talked of England as *Home* even though their family had been here for generations & in my own family it was perfectly obvious whatever his passport said my Poppy was pure Scots. He never lost that accent.

I'll send him your post.
I think he sent me the dumbed down version; you know, what with me being scientific and all that.
I thought it was an interesting read. As for how accurate it is, well it's history and we all know that's all made up.

 

[Shadrach]

More chicken tax.
Notch, Myth, Knock and Donk.

 

[Ribh]

I'll send him your post.
I think he sent me the dumbed down version; you know, what with me being scientific and all that.
I thought it was an interesting read. As for how accurate it is, well it's history and we all know that's all made up.

Don't do that! I don't know your brother. And yes, a lot of history is speculative because we don't have all the facts, just bit's & pieces of evidence. I like when the archaeological evidence can back up the history. Pottery finds can trace the migration of the tribes that fall under the Celtic label. There are quite distinctive periods & they move west across Europe. There is a science to this & it relies on the same sort of principles other science does: evidence, data, controls, comparisions.

 

[MaryJanet]

From the abstract, I thought Geary was supporting cultural identities and narratives and pointing out why European cultural narratives don't ring true. I may not undertake the whole paper Shad, I have enough trouble keeping up with my own field

Yes, Geary clearly questions the legitimacy of establishing pan-European identity narratives. It's in the middle of his abstract. Then he points out the futility of even trying, preferring instead to rest long standing upon ethnic narratives.

I don't think he's talking history, although history is implicated. The paper is from a cultural studies journal.

I want to query his commitment to ethnic nareatives because I don't see how they can possibly represent today's European nafions which are post-ethnic surely?

But I'm still going to refrain from taking in the whole paper.

 

[Ribh]

Yes, Geary clearly questions the legitimacy of establishing pan-European identity narratives. It's in the middle of his abstract. Then he points out the futility of even trying, preferring instead to rest long standing upon ethnic narratives.

I don't think he's talking history, although history is implicated. The paper is from a cultural studies journal.

I want to query his commitment to ethnic nareatives because I don't see how they can possibly represent today's European nafions which are post-ethnic surely?

But I'm still going to refrain from taking in the whole paper.

I'm not sure you can separate it like that- though many academics do, because it all ties together. And some of the sources he quotes are extremely questionable.

 

[MaryJanet]

I'm not sure you can separate it like that- though many academis do, because it all ties together. And some of the sources he quotes are extremely questionable.

It's not so much separated but taken for granted in the resdership. His readers tknow the field and read his paper through their pre-existing knowledge. He has omitted historical details because he's addressing other experts. Also what word count does this journal accept? He may have been struggling to cut material in order to make the paper publishable (although he's with the IAS, so he couldn't be as inexperienced as all that).

 

[MaryJanet]

What does @Shadrach think of the paper?

 

[Ribh]

What does @Shadrach think of the paper?

He says it's not his field.

Culture informs history. For example The Romans failed to understand Iceni women could inherit. They failed to understand a ruler became like a god or goddess & could be a priest or priestess as well. Hence when they attacked Boudicca they attacked a whole culture & set of beliefs & they reaped a whirlwind.


It's why I dislike papers like this. Everything becomes super abstract & fails to take into account we're discussing real people with thoughts & emotions & belief systems that inform their actions that become our history & culture. We could go back and forth with this for forever. I prefer to deal with the known facts, such as they are ~ but as I was saying to @BY Bob the other day, I'm a non~ sequential learner. I'm happy to work with a jig~saw of information & slot facts in as they arrive & change things if necessary. The fact is people, for whatever reasons, do identify with regions, ethnicities, peoples. That may be right or wrong but it's what people do. Bit like chickens really. Like calls to like.