RIR girls????

[Michael OShay]

So my NH could have Mediterranean blood in he
She is very orange short comb,and is a very good flier.

NHs don't have Mediterranean blood in them. PRs have some Mediterranean blood (Leghorn) in them to boost egg production.

 

[Chris09]

So my NH could have Mediterranean blood in he
She is very orange short comb,and is a very good flier.

Where did you get her?
If she came from a hatchery the chances are good that she does.
Hatcheries use the Mediterranean blood for a number of reasons but the two most important to them are egg production and sexing at birth.

Hatcheries not only add Mediterranean for increased egg production but also to create a sex-link.
Say you breed a female line of N.H.'s that look similar to a N.H. but carries Leghorn blood, now lets say this female line has increased egg production over the N.H. and also carries the fast feathering gene, you could cross this hen line with a average N.H. male line that has good egg production and average feather growth and the female offspring would not only have good egg production both male and females would be sex-links. Males having less feather growth than females.

Example --

 

[Michael OShay]

Where did you get her?
If she came from a hatchery the chances are good that she does.

That's a good point. I was thinking in terms of a NH by a reputable breeder.

 

[Chris09]

Quote: I have True Heritage R.I. Red's I love them and I look at it like this there is a reason that the R.I. Red was, is and will continue to be used in the make up of so many breeds/types of fowl, the reason being they do what they do the best.
They may not lay the most eggs, they may not have the darkest brown egg, and they may not produce the most meat but they combine all 3 the best, and when you through in the ability to a very good free-range fowl with one of the best Mahogany colors you can find on a fowl you have a true one of a kind dual purpose bird.

The fine line in the sand that makes a R.I. Red a R.I. Red is the breed standard.
The same can be said with most livestock.
When you start breeding chickens to a be production type fowl you loose some features of the original breed.
Example being, when you start breeding a R.I. Red to be a better egg layer you start to loose body type, body size and amount of meat on the bone. When that happens you loose some of the breed type and your end result is a bird that really doesn't meet what the R.I. Red was meant to be.

Not to confuse anyone any more but the a R.I. Red can only be Rich Mahogany Red in color.
The breed can and will never be another color...

Example--
There Rhode Island Red and the Rhode Island White (R.I. White) have the exact same standard except one is Red, the other is White and the R.I. White only comes rose comb the R.I. Red comes single and rose comb. The R.I. Red and the R.I. White are two completely different breeds with two different make ups even though they look like the same breed only with one being Red and the other White.

 

[ThePRfan]

So the other correct name for,a PR,would be production RIR?

 

[matt44644]

That is why it is called a Production Red

 

[ThePRfan]

 
All righty...I think a good night's sleep helped me line it all up in my brain....Plus Chris and Michael's patience and clear descriptions.  I think I get a little sticky with the heritage RIR--obviously there is a conformation standard and if you breed birds from rir stock that match, they are RIRs.  Was there ever a requirement that they remain excellent egg layers?  Is that ever in a chicken standard?

If the folks in the 30s had not cheated with the egg laying competitions and added in the leghorn....would there be 2 variations of RIR--one show line and one utility (working line)?  I guess I am asking--where is the line in the sand that says, even with the same base genetics, this line is RIR and this line is not RIR and needs a new name.  When there is enough physical body change/ deviation from the standard?

I have True Heritage R.I. Red's I love them and I look at it like this there is a reason that the R.I. Red was, is and will continue to be used in the make up of so many breeds/types of fowl, the reason being they do what they do the best.
They may not lay the most eggs, they may not have the darkest brown egg, and they may not produce the most meat but they combine all 3 the best, and when you through in the ability to a very good free-range fowl with one of the best Mahogany colors you can find on a fowl you have a true one of a kind dual purpose bird.

The fine line in the sand that makes a R.I. Red a R.I. Red is the breed standard.
The same can be said with most livestock.
When you start breeding chickens to a be production type fowl you loose some features of the original breed.
Example being, when you start breeding a R.I. Red to be a better egg layer you start to loose body type, body size and amount of meat on the bone. When that happens you loose some of the breed type and your end result is a bird that really doesn't meet what the R.I. Red was meant to be. 

Actually there are white rirs....

Not to confuse anyone any more but the a R.I. Red can only be Rich Mahogany Red in color.
The breed can and will never be another color...

Example--
There Rhode Island Red and the Rhode Island White (R.I. White) have the exact same standard except one is Red, the other is White and the R.I. White only comes single comb the R.I. Red comes single and rose comb. The R.I. Red and the R.I. White are two completely different breeds with two different make ups even though they look like the same breed only with one being Red and the other White.

 

[ThePRfan]

Actually there are white rirs...

 

[ThePRfan]

That is why it is called a Production Red

What?
The original name,that I heard,was pr,so you have confused mme....

 

[matt44644]

That is what PR stands for Production Red!