RIR's and New Hampshire Reds?

[Char971]

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Your good, They will still produce Sex Links.
Most any color Male over a Barred Female will produce a Black Sex Links..

Chris

Wanted to also add that I did not get them from a "hatchery" but from a local farmer. I guess you could call him a hatchery because he is definitely not a breeder. My understand is that he has 1000s of chickens for eggs to sell and incubates some to sell locally. I've purchased all my chicks from him because I did not want to mail order from a hatchery. I have the production reds, barred rock hens, red sex links and some I don't know what they are! LOL!

On another note, if I did breed my Reds with my Barred Rocks, what would they look like? My understanding, and please correct me if I am wrong, that Black Sex Link males turn out barred and the females all black. Is this correct?

 

[Chris09]

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Your good, They will still produce Sex Links.
Most any color Male over a Barred Female will produce a Black Sex Links..

Chris

Wanted to also add that I did not get them from a "hatchery" but from a local farmer. I guess you could call him a hatchery because he is definitely not a breeder. My understand is that he has 1000s of chickens for eggs to sell and incubates some to sell locally. I've purchased all my chicks from him because I did not want to mail order from a hatchery. I have the production reds, barred rock hens, red sex links and some I don't know what they are! LOL!

On another note, if I did breed my Reds with my Barred Rocks, what would they look like? My understanding, and please correct me if I am wrong, that Black Sex Link males turn out barred and the females all black. Is this correct?

Correct.

Chris

 

[Char971]

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Wanted to also add that I did not get them from a "hatchery" but from a local farmer. I guess you could call him a hatchery because he is definitely not a breeder. My understand is that he has 1000s of chickens for eggs to sell and incubates some to sell locally. I've purchased all my chicks from him because I did not want to mail order from a hatchery. I have the production reds, barred rock hens, red sex links and some I don't know what they are! LOL!

On another note, if I did breed my Reds with my Barred Rocks, what would they look like? My understanding, and please correct me if I am wrong, that Black Sex Link males turn out barred and the females all black. Is this correct?

Correct.

Chris

Sorry for so many questions! Would the male Black Sex Links, if breed with my Barred Rock Hens produce Barred Rocks or a mutt?

 

[Chris09]

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Let me guess they were there, "Light Brahmas" [The classic Columbian Rock/ Light Brahma cross].

Chris

Yep. Course, three of my girls aren't even "Columbian" in color (they're practically silver pencilled)

Oh my.
They may have had some silver pencilled in there background, Who knows?

Chris

 

[punky rooster]

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Correct.

Chris

Sorry for so many questions! Would the male Black Sex Links, if breed with my Barred Rock Hens produce Barred Rocks or a mutt?

a mutt

 

[punky rooster]

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You are either a very gifted judge any one who has had quality could tell you this or you just do not like my birds because they come from a hatchery. From the picture I posted, you would not be able to tell any of those traits unless you work for CSI (cause they got all the neat toys.)

Fortunately for us backyard folks, the ALBC does not require that we have perfect SQ birds. On a side note, I have not found anywhere in any governing body that regulates egg sales that requires a standard for marketing eggs or chick sales under Heritage. Just a thought. If you know of one, please direct me.

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Wow, my bird next to a champion! Don has a good looking bird, but I can't say there is that much difference considering Don's bird has been selectively bred for unknown generations by an expert, and a first generation Roo from a novice. Now show me one of Don's early line Roos.

I don't think that is a champion.

spartacus - the reason most of us are on here is to learn more about chickens we are just trying to teach you something about your birds some of us have been around chickens longer than you.
punky

 

[spartacus_63]

There is a Production Red.
One type of Production Red is a Rhode Island Red with Leghorn blood added the other was bred solely from the Rhode Island Red much like the New Hampshire.
When producing this breed the bird lost all the characteristics of a true R.I. Red.

What you have is are Production Reds there sole purpose in life is to be productive and produce eggs.
Hatcheries want good productive birds and one's with good egg Production so they have Production Breeds.
Hatcheries want to produce all the eggs they can from there Production Breeds, the more eggs they produce the more eggs they can hatch, the more eggs they hatch the chicks they can sell, the more chicks they sell the more money they make.

Hatcheries are in it for the money not the preservation of a breed so they will and have crossed more productive breeds into less productive breeds to raise there productivity.


Chris

I fail to follow the point of your argument. I did not claim my birds to be Heritage anything. I said I could market them as such and that they met the requirements as defined by ALBC. The issue of heritage came up when you spoke of an additional way to make money on your late laying birds.

You have already shown that you will say whatever as long as it furthers your argument at the same time questioning my integrity. I do not believe there is any difference in the eggs or meat of either of our chickens (for eating).

Not only is there no breed of Production Red, there is no breed of Heritage Red. Some folks have taken to calling birds with high egg production and low weight with RIR in their family production reds. Some purists call anything but the darkest and most selectively bred RIRs production reds, and conversely, but there is no BREED of Production Red. You could say there is a strain of RIRs that are a production or heritage and be accurate.​

 

[punky rooster]

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I fail to follow the point of your argument. I did not claim my birds to be Heritage anything. I said I could market them as such and that they met the requirements as defined by ALBC. The issue of heritage came up when you spoke of an additional way to make money on your late laying birds.

You have already shown that you will say whatever as long as it furthers your argument at the same time questioning my integrity. I do not believe there is any difference in the eggs or meat of either of our chickens (for eating).

Not only is there no breed of Production Red, there is no breed of Heritage Red. Some folks have taken to calling birds with high egg production and low weight with RIR in their family production reds. Some purists call anything but the darkest and most selectively bred RIRs production reds, and conversely, but there is no BREED of Production Red. You could say there is a strain of RIRs that are a production or heritage and be accurate.

yes the producton red is a cross that hatcheries sell as a RIR

 

[punky rooster]

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I fail to follow the point of your argument. I did not claim my birds to be Heritage anything. I said I could market them as such and that they met the requirements as defined by ALBC. The issue of heritage came up when you spoke of an additional way to make money on your late laying birds.

You have already shown that you will say whatever as long as it furthers your argument at the same time questioning my integrity. I do not believe there is any difference in the eggs or meat of either of our chickens (for eating).

Not only is there no breed of Production Red, there is no breed of Heritage Red. Some folks have taken to calling birds with high egg production and low weight with RIR in their family production reds. Some purists call anything but the darkest and most selectively bred RIRs production reds, and conversely, but there is no BREED of Production Red. You could say there is a strain of RIRs that are a production or heritage and be accurate.

that is true
ok then you have production strain RIR

 

[Chris09]

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I fail to follow the point of your argument. I did not claim my birds to be Heritage anything. I said I could market them as such and that they met the requirements as defined by ALBC. The issue of heritage came up when you spoke of an additional way to make money on your late laying birds.

You have already shown that you will say whatever as long as it furthers your argument at the same time questioning my integrity. I do not believe there is any difference in the eggs or meat of either of our chickens (for eating).

Not only is there no breed of Production Red, there is no breed of Heritage Red. Some folks have taken to calling birds with high egg production and low weight with RIR in their family production reds. Some purists call anything but the darkest and most selectively bred RIRs production reds, and conversely, but there is no BREED of Production Red. You could say there is a strain of RIRs that are a production or heritage and be accurate.

You have already proven that you have no idea what you are talking about by stating that your Production Red are Rhode Island Reds and that there is no breed called a Production Red so don't make it any worse for your self.

spartacus_63 Post # 127 :

Not only is there no breed of Production Red

Here is 6 hatcheries that might disagree with you.
http://www.cacklehatchery.com/productionredpage.html
http://www.purelypoultry.com/production-red-chickens-p-393.html
http://www.mthealthy.com/product/PRED-sr
https://secuservices.com/ideal/newideal/selectproduct.aspx?qty=1&ID=PRS&Product=26
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...dsp=18&ved=1t:429,r:10,s:184&biw=1425&bih=680
http://www.healthychicksandmore.com/product/PRED-sr


Now would you like to show us how there is no breed as the production red? Oh and please don't say there not in the ASOP so there not a breed because there are a lot breed that are not in the American Standard of Perfection.


Chris​