Oh, I am so happy they were able to remove it and he was able to come successful throught the surgery! I hope he continues to improve and is back to making his girls swoon in no time!
Rooster with mass in neck, possible tumor, thymus response -- Marek's
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We are back home after a long day.
The mass was indeed on this thymus in his neck, and when any pressure or manipulation was applied, it caused an arrhythmia; specifically bradycardia. In layman's terms, whenever he would lean over, or crow, or do some other rooster things, pressure on this mass would cause his heart to slow down substantially and make him very woozy. It is hard to know if it caused further discomfort or pain, but absolutely it was causing a huge problem! No wonder he recoiled and acted so strangely whenever he would lean down.
Complicating things was that the location of the mass was not allowing food to pass from his crop properly, which even if it was not causing the bradycardia, would have caused his crop to sour if I didn't massage it several times a day. Some food was making it past, but not all, and it was sitting for far too long in the bottom of his crop. Anyone that has battled a crop impaction or sour crop knows how serious that can be!
Dr. Wade was able to put him through surgery and remove all of the visible mass. It is unknown if there is any deeper in his body cavity-- the hope is that there is not! But there is no way of knowing for now. Still, he is young and full of vitality and so we are hoping it's all gone.
Trousers did not react well to the anesthesia toward the end of the surgery, and had a bit of a murmur. He came to after the doctor reacted appropriately to the situation. She is the top avian vet in the region and is very thoughtful and caring. I gave her an art print of mine out of gratitude.
Dr. Wade had Trousers walk out to us when we arrived to pick him up, to see how he moved. He is a bit unsteady on his feet but other than stumbling he is doing well. The unsteadiness is likely part of the anesthesia, which can effect birds more adversely than mammals. She gave him some mealworms and he leaned forward to eat them with no problem! He also ate and drank for us tonight, despite being a bit sore.
His feathers are plucked out from the crop region, as necessary for a clean operation. He will grow them back soon, no doubt. The incision site is very clean and we will monitor him closely. Tonight he talked to us and even preened, which are good signs that he is recovering well, as preening is a behavior that only comfortable birds do.
The vet office sang his praises and said he was the best behaved roo they've had. I tend to agree. He's an wonderfully good boy.
Pathology should take a few days, and then we will have a better idea of what we are dealing with, in the long term. In the interim, Trousers is indoors with us. We don't actually have an enclosure big enough for him, so he's staying on the tile section of our house, which is where I work anyhow. At night I will have to keep him in the bedroom, otherwise he could get himself into trouble accidentally. Let's hope he doesn't crow too much! Talk about a rude awakening!
The mass was indeed on this thymus in his neck, and when any pressure or manipulation was applied, it caused an arrhythmia; specifically bradycardia. In layman's terms, whenever he would lean over, or crow, or do some other rooster things, pressure on this mass would cause his heart to slow down substantially and make him very woozy. It is hard to know if it caused further discomfort or pain, but absolutely it was causing a huge problem! No wonder he recoiled and acted so strangely whenever he would lean down.
Complicating things was that the location of the mass was not allowing food to pass from his crop properly, which even if it was not causing the bradycardia, would have caused his crop to sour if I didn't massage it several times a day. Some food was making it past, but not all, and it was sitting for far too long in the bottom of his crop. Anyone that has battled a crop impaction or sour crop knows how serious that can be!
Dr. Wade was able to put him through surgery and remove all of the visible mass. It is unknown if there is any deeper in his body cavity-- the hope is that there is not! But there is no way of knowing for now. Still, he is young and full of vitality and so we are hoping it's all gone.
Trousers did not react well to the anesthesia toward the end of the surgery, and had a bit of a murmur. He came to after the doctor reacted appropriately to the situation. She is the top avian vet in the region and is very thoughtful and caring. I gave her an art print of mine out of gratitude.
Dr. Wade had Trousers walk out to us when we arrived to pick him up, to see how he moved. He is a bit unsteady on his feet but other than stumbling he is doing well. The unsteadiness is likely part of the anesthesia, which can effect birds more adversely than mammals. She gave him some mealworms and he leaned forward to eat them with no problem! He also ate and drank for us tonight, despite being a bit sore.
His feathers are plucked out from the crop region, as necessary for a clean operation. He will grow them back soon, no doubt. The incision site is very clean and we will monitor him closely. Tonight he talked to us and even preened, which are good signs that he is recovering well, as preening is a behavior that only comfortable birds do.
The vet office sang his praises and said he was the best behaved roo they've had. I tend to agree. He's an wonderfully good boy.
Pathology should take a few days, and then we will have a better idea of what we are dealing with, in the long term. In the interim, Trousers is indoors with us. We don't actually have an enclosure big enough for him, so he's staying on the tile section of our house, which is where I work anyhow. At night I will have to keep him in the bedroom, otherwise he could get himself into trouble accidentally. Let's hope he doesn't crow too much! Talk about a rude awakening!
I think I'd rather hear him crow than not, even if it is during smaller morning hours than would be preferable!
Thanks so much for the update
Thanks so much for the update
Great news on Trousers! Hopefully he continues to improve the vet finds that the growth was benign (and that all of it was removed) and he can be all healed up and back out with his Ladies soon!!
DH and I have found that our roos (when they have had to stay inside for recovery of various sorts) have been better house guests than the girls. Hopefully he behaves himself for you! When one of our roos was inside for a week, he took over watching over DH and I. If we took naps on the couch, he sat nearby on the lookout the whole time. If he thought we looked hungry, he would try to point out something tasty for us (usually some random bit of non-food gunk somewhere) but hey...it's the though that counts, right?
I adore my boys, and hope Trousers makes 100% recovery for you. He sounds like a wonderful roo and I look forward to hearing more about him!
DH and I have found that our roos (when they have had to stay inside for recovery of various sorts) have been better house guests than the girls. Hopefully he behaves himself for you! When one of our roos was inside for a week, he took over watching over DH and I. If we took naps on the couch, he sat nearby on the lookout the whole time. If he thought we looked hungry, he would try to point out something tasty for us (usually some random bit of non-food gunk somewhere) but hey...it's the though that counts, right?
I adore my boys, and hope Trousers makes 100% recovery for you. He sounds like a wonderful roo and I look forward to hearing more about him!
So glad the surgery went well! Hoping for a quick recovery and that no more tumors show their nasty heads!
pdx2phx it IS the thought that counts. Now you have me curious to see your roo. I can just imagine what he found to offer you as food. What a sweet and thoughtful boy. Please post a photo and his name.
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Sadly, Trousers is not doing well at all this morning. He is completely unable to sit, stand, or even lay down in an upright position, and keeps flipping onto his side or back. He is interested in food but cannot "connect" with it, and trying to hand feed him is not working either. I did get a few ml of water into him, just to help keep him hydrated, but I won't force food on him just yet until I know what might be going on. His vet is closed today so I have made him comfortable in a bunch of towels (he is surrounded, so that he isn't on his back or side, and is upright) and am letting him rest. Perhaps the anesthesia is still messing him up. Please think good thoughts for him.
I left a message on the vet's answering machine, and she is supposed to call to do a follow up even though she is off, so hopefully she can give me some insights over the phone.
I left a message on the vet's answering machine, and she is supposed to call to do a follow up even though she is off, so hopefully she can give me some insights over the phone.
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I am sending positive healing thoughts for your sweet Trousers. Here's hoping your vet, though off for today, will ring you shortly with some insights that will bring you a sense of relief. May this be something normal following such a surgery, and may sweet Trousers have a smooth and quick recovery.
I hope your vet calls! And I pray it's not Marek's...
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Me, too. Would Marek's come on very suddenly like this? He was okay last night. I thought that the motor control loss would be a bit slower, due to the tumors growing.
I have been giving him 2-3ml of water every 30 minutes or so, in case it is medication doing this to him, to help flush it.
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