Ruined, beyond hope cockerel? *Graphic Photos*

[Helloworld]

No, I apologize... it came right after my post with no name... still new, still learning. The sight has changed some since I was last here.

 

[MissChick@dee]

All I can say the day my husband was trying to stomp my Roo and the Roo went ballistic well....Roo ‘s will come and GO. I plan on keeping my husband.
I’ve never had a nice Roo. So I don’t keep them.

 

[Kat2141]

Okay, I’ve got cha. With that being explained then, my cockerel should have absolutely no reason to think my back deck is his, he has NEVER even been down there. Correct? However, it is funny to watch him slowly make his way to the deck steps like he’s gonna come on down onto the deck. Darn bird.

You're still stuck on the wrong idea of space. It's not a specificaly defined zone.
It's your right to be where he is. It doesn't matter where that is.[/QUOTE]
As far as space goes, think of Dirty Dancing when he shows her "this is my dance Space, this is your's. I don't go into your's, you don't come into mine" when he first starts teaching her to dance. Your roo needs to know he doesn't go into your space, but you CAN go into his.

 

[EggWalrus]

No, @EggWalrus said something about the right way to kick a chicken, I just said there's no right way to kick a chicken. If a rooster came at me and I had nothing to defend myself with I probably would kick at it too as my first reaction, but it shouldn't be a way to manage a rooster long term. So all just a misunderstanding. I was addressing @EggWalrus .

You are right my dear,
When I said "the right way", I didn't mean for someone to go around nilly willy kicking tail and taking names.
But if you're getting a flogging, and he goes back to the ground, then keeps on flogging you again, and you don't have any thing but a feed bucket to defend yourself with, what are you gonna do? Rather than beat him with the bucket and then have to process him then when you have other plans, just give him a kick/lift with your boot. Not enough to hurt him, just enough to scare him and let him know who the boss is. Some of my best flock defending roosters have tried me, but after a swift kick in the a $$, they decided they would be better off pecking on some one their own size.
I don't believe in being cruel to any dumb animal, but I've been Kung Fu kicked by chickens harder than I've ever kicked them. I've seen them break each others legs and necks. When they kick each others tails, They Learn.
But like I said, if you're getting flogged, and your temper flares, rather than kick them and kill them, there is a right way to kick them that doesn't hurt any thing but their pride and doesn't hurt them physically.
Sorry that my lack of communication skills caused such confusion.

 

[Mimi13]

Mr Spot has crowed while we are in there and for over two years has never attempted anything. Mr Toughie never crowed in my presence but he had to be culled last month because he actually started drawing blood. I still have the marks on my calf.

That’s terrible that he drew blood, BUT you drew the last blood! I wish there were frownie faces we could use, like the “Like,” but not the emojis . That made sense in my head so I hope it did in writing too.

 

[Mimi13]

You're still stuck on the wrong idea of space. It's not a specificaly defined zone.
It's your right to be where he is. It doesn't matter where that is.

As far as space goes, think of Dirty Dancing when he shows her "this is my dance Space, this is your's. I don't go into your's, you don't come into mine" when he first starts teaching her to dance. Your roo needs to know he doesn't go into your space, but you CAN go into his.[/QUOTE]
As long as I’ve got my little garden rake with me he doesn’t cross into my “space” cause I don’t let him. And he also allows me to cross over into his space, because I make him.

 

[EggWalrus]

As far as space goes, think of Dirty Dancing when he shows her "this is my dance Space, this is your's. I don't go into your's, you don't come into mine" when he first starts teaching her to dance. Your roo needs to know he doesn't go into your space, but you CAN go into his.

As long as I’ve got my little garden rake with me he doesn’t cross into my “space” cause I don’t let him. And he also allows me to cross over into his space, because I make him. [/QUOTE]
But he should respect your space even if you don't have a rake, a stick, or any weapon to defend yourself. Think of it like this, the rake is just an extention of yourself, it allows you to "reach out and touch someone". That rake has also gave you confidence go about your biz and to not show fear.
You can test it, but I think that you'll find your roos respect your space whether or not you're packing a rake or a Colt 45. It's all a matter of conditioning.

 

[Mimi13]

But he should respect your space even if you don't have a rake, a stick, or any weapon to defend yourself. Think of it like this, the rake is just an extention of yourself, it allows you to "reach out and touch someone". That rake has also gave you confidence go about your biz and to not show fear.
You can test it, but I think that you'll find your roos respect your space whether or not you're packing a rake or a Colt 45. It's all a matter of conditioning.
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Well, because of time, I didn’t really tell the whole story last night. When I am outside by myself I carry nothing, however, my eyes are constantly observing him. If he was to “attack” me, I could definitely take care of myself AND then take care of him in return. However, most of the time, through the week, I have my 2 yo grandson with me. My time outside with the chickens, with him in tow, is limited, to say the least. I cannot jeopardize his safety with a sudden attack, thus the rake.

I have one more cockerel, the “accidental roo” named Lucy, who quickly became Lucifer overnight that I will slaughter this weekend. I only have two separate coop/runs so once he is gone my Welsummer will have a home all to himself...until he is dispatched. The other run houses my SLW.

ETA: I definitely do understand what you are saying and I thank you. And truth be known, he does not respect my space at all. That I am sure of.

 

[WVduckchick]

Every rooster is different. And I think much depends on how they are raised, but more so on flock dynamics. I’ve only had a couple aggressive roosters. One huge light brahma, I (ashamedly) broke a thick branch across his chest when he charged me from across the yard. Thank goodness I had that branch in hand lol! But he never charged me again and became one of my best boys.
The latest one to approach me wrong a few months ago, a large BCM, came at me from the side. He had never done this prior to his brothers being sold. He changed after they left. I lifted him with the side of my boot, and backed him off about two or three feet (distance). He has not done it again. I still keep an eye on him though. Most of my other boys ignore me, as I do them.

 

[Mimi13]

Every rooster is different. And I think much depends on how they are raised, but more so on flock dynamics. I’ve only had a couple aggressive roosters. One huge light brahma, I (ashamedly) broke a thick branch across his chest when he charged me from across the yard. Thank goodness I had that branch in hand lol! But he never charged me again and became one of my best boys.
The latest one to approach me wrong a few months ago, a large BCM, came at me from the side. He had never done this prior to his brothers being sold. He changed after they left. I lifted him with the side of my boot, and backed him off about two or three feet (distance). He has not done it again. I still keep an eye on him though. Most of my other boys ignore me, as I do them.

You know, it is posts like yours that make me still have the slightest of hope for my Welsummer. After butchering my last two “extras” this past week, I am finally down to the two males that I purposely ordered, the Welsummer and the SLW. The Welsummer has gotten better in the past couple of weeks after he got several warps from rakes and sticks. I still question him at times though.

I wonder, if I was to turn the SLW cockerel back out with the flock and Welsummer, would the Welsummer’s focus be taken away from people with another cockerel running with the flock? Right now, the Welsummer doesn’t even go anywhere around the SLW’s run; however, several of the pullets hang out by the run a good bit. I’m actually thinking he would go bat $#!+ crazy since he’s had the girls all to himself for quite sometime now, even though the SLW’s run is right in the middle of the chicken yard.

My original thought was to keep both penned separately until they were about a year old and then turn them out, both together, with the girls. But then I second guessed myself and thought that probably would go over like a lead balloon. I’m sure they would fight till the death.

What are your thoughts? Would both ever be able to run together after being apart for a good while?