Seamless Bands?

Discussion in 'Ornamental Fowl (Swans, etc.)' started by J3172, Feb 11, 2011.

  1. J3172

    J3172 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Just got some domestic mallards from a hatchery. I call the permit specialist to see if they were consider a wild bird even though they are domestic. Well sure enough she said yes they were and need to be marked accordingly. I don't want to pinion them, and would prefer not to cut of the back toe, but where would I find seamless bands for mallards?
     
  2. waterdog

    waterdog Chillin' With My Peeps

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    We use common pigeon bands on some of our waterfowl we get them from NPA http://www.npausa.com/ they are a plastic seamless band and work quite well.
     
  3. Boggy Bottom Bantams

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    Quote:No they are not!
    Unless you just called for some kind of local state permit and they have some waterfowl rules there in Mich.
    Federal permits do not cover mallard . They are a migratory species, but have been removed from the permit list due to their domestic breeding.
    Under 3 generations from the wild, maybe, but not standard domestics. Also if they didnt send you a 3-186 Form from the transfer, simply marking them wouldnt be legal on migartory waterfowl anyway.
     
  4. J3172

    J3172 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Here in michigan they have rules for everything, and yes I called about our state permit not federal. I bought them from IDEAL and they didn't send a 3-186 form so I emailed them to see if I can get some kind of information that I can put down on my monthly paper work I send in.
     
  5. Boggy Bottom Bantams

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    ah o kay it's state.
    The 3-186 form is Federal, the mallards just arent on that list, so Ideal wont send you anything for it, they probabley dont even have a Federal Permit seeing how they dont sell migratory waterfowl.

    I'd just band them then and call it good. Dont think a state can require you to have Federal Papers on a bird not on the Federal list, so you'll be good there.
     
  6. waterdog

    waterdog Chillin' With My Peeps

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    No they can't require federal paper work, but do require state paper work on Mute swans for example. We don't keep mallards anymore but as far as I know from reading our permit a state permit is required for all north american species Except mallards this is stated at the top of page 2 in the Information Circular Permits to Hold Wildlife in Captivity 1350-1, but it wouldnt hurt to band them.
     
  7. Boggy Bottom Bantams

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    Quote:That sounds about right. Mallards for the most part though originally wild, are now classed as domestics in most all cases
     
  8. J3172

    J3172 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Steve your right it wouldn't hurt to band them anyway.
     
  9. J3172

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    I emailed http://www.npausa.com/ and they said they didn't carry any that big. Also I'm call the permit specialist back because your right it says on the first page of the rules idk how i missed it but , ducks (all north american species except properly marked mallards). What does properly marked mean?
     
  10. Boggy Bottom Bantams

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    toe cliped, pinioned, band, or tattooed generally, not sure what the state considers it, but that's the definition on a Federal Level
     

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