Self Blue (Lavender) Orpington Proposed Standard Comment Thread

[ChickenAlgebra]

It doesn't mean anything to have self-blue if the bird isn't to breed standard. It's yard art. I have no horse in this race. I have good quality black hens, and cross them to a splash JG for layers. But even I know the horse goes before the cart.

 

[HallFamilyFarm]

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We must build the barn. But we must also paint the barn. Its sort of like build the barn...paint the barn....rebuild the barn... add paint...build...paint....

Eventually the barn will be built with a nice coat of paint.

Some of us do have an advantage in that we have other colors of Orpingtons. We can compare the barns while they are next to each other. We are using a pure Cecil Moore line Blacks with a F5 hincjc male. The splits are still about 4 months old. Won't see till fall or later what their barn looks like.

My thought for this thread is to be able to compare what we are all learning. To set aside our differences and work towards the perfection of this Orpington variety. We do plan on showing both our Self Blue male and the Black Splits this fall. Will be nice to see what the judges have to say. May even bring some of them to Crossroads.

 

[wilds of pa]

Jim we've been building and working on the barn for about 5 years, however all the wood is treated with paint as we put the barn up piece by piece, remember untreated wood doesn't last long.. also remember the ticker the paint the longer the wood lasts..lol

if its a pole barn you are building, then the panels are all pre painted before assembling..

on word... Heard from a few who got the 6th gen chicks and the ones who Hatched the 6th gen eggs, that the chicks and young birds are getting nice, theres quit a few out there, hope to hear or see more of the results from the last round, we've been recrossing again to select Black English blood again. Got some splits do to hatch soon. the last round of chicks and the hatching eggs all had some Black English orp crossed in on the 5th gen.

Folks if you got some of these 6th generations please feel free to update us as you grow them out,,

would really appreciate it

Thanks
Charlie

 

[Cetawin]

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Why? They will be DQ'd for body type...you cannot win BV or BB so why show them? If you (not you personally, but anyone wanting to get serious about the lavenders) are serious about creating a variety you would want the standard, stability and level of a "breed", standarized for size, type, colors of eyes, shanks and etc. or you have just a mixed breed bird that breeds somewhat true. Wouldn't you?

 

[DuckLady]

Folks if the squabbling and veiled barbs don't stop, this thread will be closed and the offenders warned.

Please stay on topic as far as the OP would wish.

Thank you.

 

[HallFamilyFarm]

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Side note: Charlie, you do realize that the bird in your avatar ain't got no tail? Would be pretty except for that missing tail!

We have a friend down here that shows a lot of them rumpless things. Jacob (7) hates it when she shows up cause his Buckkeye bantams lose to the Araucanas. Pretty color on it though.

Our SB Orp has a bit too many tail feathers. Want us to pull a few and ship them to you?

 

[ChickenAlgebra]

Using the barn idea, the SOP for Orp is the barn, the lav is the paint. You can paint all you want, but till the barn is built, it's just a pile of painted wood. So prime the wood, build the barn, then paint it.

 

[wilds of pa]

Using the barn idea, the SOP for Orp is the barn, the lav is the paint. You can paint all you want, but till the barn is built, it's just a pile of painted wood. So prime the wood, build the barn, then paint it.

exactly right when starting a new build, However we are not building a new barn, we are simply adding an addtion on to it, we started building our barn back in 2007, simpley because you couldnt buy this type of barn here back in 2007.. and so we've been using blacks in how many of our out crossing's, we are on the right track to having the perfect barn following the building codes along the way best one can, thats the ticket.

i guess some may not be recrossing at all and just using and breeding o say 2nd, 3rd or 4th generations etc,/just tearing down the barn and putting it back up. But that is up to those individuals how they breed or for what ever reason they choose to tear it down and put it back up and just not adding an addition to it to make it bigger and better..

I do know we want to press on with them here and in adding new black lines to them as we progress with them.. the perfect USA lavender Orpington is not far from our grasps now..

we are in the final frontier here, i can see it already..

The Building theory or conspiracy::: i prefer to have my wood painted every step along the way as the barn gets built bigger & bigger, the paint is already there to something were are adding an addition to now..remember when you add addition onto your barn you don't remove all the paint off the complete barn, no you just take part of the paint off were you are adding on to and then repaint the the new addition..pretty simple thought isn't it, Our addition is what i like to call a Wing Addition (full expansion of the back, side or front)

for those that dont now how
Whatever style of addition you choose it will be a large undertaking, but it doesn't have to be stressful if you take it step-by-step.
http://www.handycanadian.com/articles-adding-on-home-addition.asp

Jim yes he is messing tail feathers...but he likes it that way, as he is a much cooler bird this time of year and well the hens with there messing tails just seem to fancy that on there fellows.. lol

ps the votes are going up..

example:: LAV ORPS= BARN IN THIS THREAD

Folks if you got some of the 6th generations Orps/ 2011 barns, please feel free to update us as you grow them out/erect them,, would really appreciate it...

Thanks
Charlie​

 

[hinkjc]

Why not show them? What better way to get honest, in person feedback on how they're coming along. The only other option is to put them next to other standard American orps and compare.

I wish everyone the very best in their work with their lavender orp projects. While ours do breed true at this time, we will continue to work on the overall conformation of our flock as we have been all along. All I can say is I hope folks will keep at it and continue the work we've begun.

 

[flgardengirl]

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exactly right when starting a new build, However we are not building a new barn, we are simply adding an addtion on to it, we started building our barn back in 2007, simpley because you couldnt buy this type of barn here back in 2007.. and so we've been using blacks in how many of our out crossing's, we are on the right track to having the perfect barn following the building codes along the way best one can, thats the ticket.

i guess some may not be recrossing at all and just using and breeding o say 2nd, 3rd or 4th generations etc,/just tearing down the barn and putting it back up. But that is up to those individuals how they breed or for what ever reason they choose to tear it down and put it back up and just not adding an addition to it to make it bigger and better..

I do know we want to press on with them here and in adding new black lines to them as we progress with them.. the perfect USA lavender Orpington is not far from our grasps now.. http://gifanimations.com/GA/image/animations/astronaut/astronaut-01.gif we are in the final frontier here, i can see it already..

http://www.gifanimations.com/GA/Image/Animations/Construction/Construction_paint.gif
The Building theory or conspiracy::: i prefer to have my wood painted every step along the way as the barn gets built bigger & bigger, the paint is already there to something were are adding an addition to now..remember when you add addition onto your barn you don't remove all the paint off the complete barn, no you just take part of the paint off were you are adding on to and then repaint the the new addition..pretty simple thought isn't it, Our addition is what i like to call a Wing Addition (full expansion of the back, side or front)

for those that dont now how
Whatever style of addition you choose it will be a large undertaking, but it doesn't have to be stressful if you take it step-by-step.
http://www.handycanadian.com/articles-adding-on-home-addition.asp

Jim yes he is messing tail feathers...but he likes it that way, as he is a much cooler bird this time of year and well the hens with there messing tails just seem to fancy that on there fellows.. lol

ps the votes are going up..

example:: LAV ORPS= BARN IN THIS THREAD

Folks if you got some of the 6th generations Orps/ 2011 barns, please feel free to update us as you grow them out/erect them,, would really appreciate it...

Thanks
Charlie

I love your 'building the barn that's already painted' input! Very useful.