Shadrach's Ex Battery and Rescued chickens thread.

[ManueB]

my Spanish is pants; can you translate?

Translating from a foreign language to another, so I apologize for eventual grammar mistakes , not sure about who or whom .
Sowing the soil, Juan began to think
why should the soil belong, to whom doesn't know how to sow ?

 

[Shadrach]

Translating from a foreign language to another, so I apologize for eventual grammar mistakes , not sure about who or whom .
Sowing the soil, Juan began to think
why should the soil belong, to whom doesn't know how to sow ?

https://www.drivers.co.uk/news/golf-courses-occupy-33-of-open-green-space-in-great-britain.html

 

[MrsNorthie]

I have found extremely difficult to fully understand about the attitude of mainly American poultry keepers expecting roosters and many other farm animals it seems to be safe.

I think there is some arrogance, some people feel that they have total dominance over animals and if an animal acts in a way they don't like, they just kill it. My Grandfather taught me to have respect instead of fear and to never kill anything that you weren't going to eat. I pretty much love all animals and have always had great luck with them. I was a little caught off guard by the dominant cockerel's behaviour, but we have an understanding now and he has even started eating from my hand. He still gives me stink-eye when the girls mob me, but he hasn't been nearly as aggressive.

We had a giant Jersey bull that took herding direction from me and only me, when I was a young girl, but I always gave him attention, fed him by hand gave him a good scratch behind his ears and on his forehead. I talked to or sang to him and the calves while I did my chores, I knew I couldn't fully trust him, because there are somethings that are just part of nature. I had an uncle that was killed by a bull that he hand raised from a calf, so I never let my guard down, but treated him with love and respect.

 

[Shadrach]

Yes! The first time I saw Chipie's (my first bantam) egg, I was amazed at how smooth and shiny it was. It was like marble ! I didn't eat it because it was so perfect !
Now she is old she lays only ten to fifteen eggs a year and they are not that smooth anymore, but my other bantams also lay eggs like these.

Is this an after effect of reading @TropicalChickies 's article ?

I grew up to the songs of Quilapayun, Angel and Isabella Parra, Atuhalpa Yupanqui..my upper class city relutnics parents never got over being in Chile for civil service when Pinochet took over.
Sembrando la tierra, Juan, se puso a considerar, por qué la tierra será del que no sabe sembrar?

No, I'm usually like that and have been for many years.
I try in general to keep it toned down out of respect for those with other views and not wishing to get an instant ban from BYC should I promote my political views on the forum.

 

[Somewhere_In_The_Clouds]

The breedong sows on my Uncle's farm were the most dangerous creature there. Made the free range roosters look downright friendly by comparison.
This is related to one of the things I have found extremely difficult to fully understand about the attitude of mainly American poultry keepers expecting roosters and many other farm animals it seems to be safe.
When and where I was brought up all the creatures on the farm were considered dangerous and part of the skill in farming was not to get killed or injured by the creatures that were kept.
I often wonder if my luck/ability/whatever in dealing with roosters is I start with a completely different view of the creature to many I read about here.

My family raised some pigs for awhile. As soon as we got them my parents made sure to emphasis to us kids how dangerous they could be, maybe the things they said seemed a bit extreme but it kept us safe.

I am still shocked at how casual I see people in the US (and wherever else it's legal) are around emus, they are aware they're very much wild animals and quite a threat to the small children they allow around them?

 

[Perris]

https://www.drivers.co.uk/news/golf-courses-occupy-33-of-open-green-space-in-great-britain.html

shocking, but I'm wondering how much of this is farmers 'diversifying' because agriculture is such a struggle these days? Certainly a lot of the golf courses that popped up on the M4 corridor in the last couple of decades are parts of farms (so their owners do actually know how to grow stuff; thanks for the translation ManueB; and I'm not sure either, but would probably go with 'who' there and also put a 'someone' in front of it for ease of comprehension if less faithful to the original)

 

[Shadrach]

Well I've got a secret, I cannot say
Blame modern movement to give it away
You've got somethin', that I understand
Hold it in tightly, call on command
Leap of faith, do you doubt?
Cut you in, I just cut you out
Whatever you do
Don't tell anyone
Whatever you do
Don't tell anyone
Look for reflections in your face
Canine devotion, time can't erase
Out on the corner or locked in your room
I never believe them and I never assume
Stuck in belief, there is a lie
Promise is promise, an eye for an eye
We've got something to reveal
No one can know how we feel
Whatever you do
Don't tell anyone
Whatever you do
Don't tell anyone
Whatever you do
Don't tell anyone
Whatever you do
Don't tell
I think you already know
How far I'd go not to say
You know the art isn't gone
And I'm taking our song to the grave
Whatever you do
Don't tell anyone
Whatever you do
Don't tell anyone
Whatever you do
Don't tell anyone
Whatever you do
Don't tell

 

[TropicalChickies]

This is related to one of the things I have found extremely difficult to fully understand about the attitude of mainly American poultry keepers expecting roosters and many other farm animals it seems to be safe.
When and where I was brought up all the creatures on the farm were considered dangerous and part of the skill in farming was not to get killed or injured by the creatures that were kept

THIS. This is something I just cannot wrap my head around either. When I started to realize that I had more than one cockerel and that keeping chickens -- roosters included -- and not just hens, was a whole different ball game, I started reading several of the threads in the Chicken Behaviors forum about roosters in particular. Some of the prevailing attitudes really surprised me in their disparagement for every quality I would expect in a feral animal known for his protective role and fighting abilities.

Now, I know a lot of these people have a lot more time and experience than I do with chicken keeping. And evidently a lot more experience killing roosters who so much "look at them the wrong way." What on earth does that even mean? I've even read a thread where a very long time chicken keeper mentioned that "culling" (killing, people, just say it, it's ok) roosters who behaved in ways "unacceptable" -- like in one case, being too close to the person's shoe taking a photograph -- was perhaps a way to encourage more gentle/tame/domesticated traits to be passed along. (!)

I had to stop reading and take a deep breath. A Personalized Rooster Eugenics program for your backyard flock! Oh. My. Goodness. First of all, this attitude assumes that humans will always be here, at the "top of the food chain", with all the other animals beneath us, grovelling and suffering in zoos and pens and factories, imprisoned in conservation areas. Whereas right now, in this Anthopocene we've created, all the evidence is pointing the way down for this hyper civilized hell on earth. And that we have the right and the power to "make" other living beings whatever we want them to be. Emasculated, dandified wimps who can't look after their tribes when the remnants of humanity are back in survival mode. And I think this really sucks.

Recently I had to travel to Quito, the capital city, to ship a box of cacao products to Canada. I was gone for nearly 3 days. The morning after I returned, I went out very early to hang up some wash. The chickens were just walking over from the coop to be fed. Lucio saw me and flew at me, spurs out. He had shown some impatience before when the feeding group got too large to herd effectively, but this was a full on attack (the first of it's kind). It was like he'd never seen me before. I snapped a wet shirt at him to deflect his blow and said, "Whoa buddy! What the heck?" As soon as he heard my voice, he blinked, registered who I was, and started gabbling in a clearly apologetic way.

I learned a lesson. Not a huge deal. If I go away for a few days, always use my voice to communicate that I'm back before just popping up. And come on. I know they look fierce and all, but he's an eight pound bird. I'm a very petite woman, but even I can handle him. I'm still a lot bigger and stronger. Yes, he can probably inflict damage like a cut or bruise. But he saw an "invader" and did his job. What is so wrong about that? He has the makings of a very good rooster. He is very very good with his hens. As long as he knows who I am, he respects me as well. But I'm not going to justify why I will most definitely keep him, despite the brush up last week, because I shouldn't have to. He's a rooster.

If I posted this story on another forum here, I can just hear the chorus of tired old "freezer camp" tropes. In my very heartfelt and humble opinion, a rooster is not a pet, nor should he be attempted to be molded into a pet. Neither is a hen, really. But a rooster's function, from long before post industrialized technocratic soft bodied control drama thinking humans colonized this planet, is to propagate his genes and protect the ones who bear and care for his progeny. That's it. What is so hard to understand about that?

I just look at him and all the wonderful pictures of roosters you all have shared and think, my gods, what magnificent animals. How perfectly evolved for their role. Why would anyone want to ruin that?

(Phew. Deep breath. End rant. Please don't report me to the freezer camp crowd.)

 

[fluffycrow]

THIS. This is something I just cannot wrap my head around either. When I started to realize that I had more than one cockerel and that keeping chickens -- roosters included -- and not just hens, was a whole different ball game, I started reading several of the threads in the Chicken Behaviors forum about roosters in particular. Some of the prevailing attitudes really surprised me in their disparagement for every quality I would expect in a feral animal known for his protective role and fighting abilities.

Now, I know a lot of these people have a lot more time and experience than I do with chicken keeping. And evidently a lot more experience killing roosters who so much "look at them the wrong way." What on earth does that even mean? I've even read a thread where a very long time chicken keeper mentioned that "culling" (killing, people, just say it, it's ok) roosters who behaved in ways "unacceptable" -- like in one case, being too close to the person's shoe taking a photograph -- was perhaps a way to encourage more gentle/tame/domesticated traits to be passed along. (!)

I had to stop reading and take a deep breath. A Personalized Rooster Eugenics program for your backyard flock! Oh. My. Goodness. First of all, this attitude assumes that humans will always be here, at the "top of the food chain", with all the other animals beneath us, grovelling and suffering in zoos and pens and factories, imprisoned in conservation areas. Whereas right now, in this Anthopocene we've created, all the evidence is pointing the way down for this hyper civilized hell on earth. And that we have the right and the power to "make" other living beings whatever we want them to be. Emasculated, dandified wimps who can't look after their tribes when the remnants of humanity are back in survival mode. And I think this really sucks.

Recently I had to travel to Quito, the capital city, to ship a box of cacao products to Canada. I was gone for nearly 3 days. The morning after I returned, I went out very early to hang up some wash. The chickens were just walking over from the coop to be fed. Lucio saw me and flew at me, spurs out. He had shown some impatience before when the feeding group got too large to herd effectively, but this was a full on attack (the first of it's kind). It was like he'd never seen me before. I snapped a wet shirt at him to deflect his blow and said, "Whoa buddy! What the heck?" As soon as he heard my voice, he blinked, registered who I was, and started gabbling in a clearly apologetic way.

I learned a lesson. Not a huge deal. If I go away for a few days, always use my voice to communicate that I'm back before just popping up. And come on. I know they look fierce and all, but he's an eight pound bird. I'm a very petite woman, but even I can handle him. I'm still a lot bigger and stronger. Yes, he can probably inflict damage like a cut or bruise. But he saw an "invader" and did his job. What is so wrong about that? He has the makings of a very good rooster. He is very very good with his hens. As long as he knows who I am, he respects me as well. But I'm not going to justify why I will most definitely keep him, despite the brush up last week, because I shouldn't have to. He's a rooster.

If I posted this story on another forum here, I can just hear the chorus of tired old "freezer camp" tropes. In my very heartfelt and humble opinion, a rooster is not a pet, nor should he be attempted to be molded into a pet. Neither is a hen, really. But a rooster's function, from long before post industrialized technocratic soft bodied control drama thinking humans colonized this planet, is to propagate his genes and protect the ones who bear and care for his progeny. That's it. What is so hard to understand about that?

I just look at him and all the wonderful pictures of roosters you all have shared and think, my gods, what magnificent animals. How perfectly evolved for their role. Why would anyone want to ruin that?

(Phew. Deep breath. End rant. Please don't report me to the freezer camp crowd.)

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Oh don't even get me started on the control over animals. Please, your male nor your female thinks you're the boss. How many times I've seen people suggesting shoving the male to the ground to make them submissive or something...same crap they do with dogs. You're not the alpha of your dog, chicken, rat or giraffe. You're just the weird two-legged creature walking around and making weird noises. If people need to feel dominant over their animals, then maybe don't get any

 

[Molpet]

I've never had a human aggressive rooster, but I had 4 jakes that the dominant would attack me. I got them at 8 weeks and I think they imprinted on humans.
Having a 20lb bird jumping on you from behind is dangerous.
I tried several things. I had intended on keeping one for breeding and the others were for the freezer. Feeding a 28% helped a lot, until the mulberries or grass seeds ripened. Then they ate those instead of feed and got aggressive again.
I ended up starting over the next year and didn't have any problems with birds from a different breeder.