Shadrach's Ex Battery and Rescued chickens thread.

Online searches sure are frustrating. I have seen read and all sorts of relevant studies and articles that are rattling around in my head and can't seem to find any of them online! :barnie

On the subject of the amount of room chickens need:

I recall seeing a video quite a while ago of an experiment where they put a few battery type hens in a cage with walls that would slide out and make the cage bigger. The hens soon learned that they could peck at a target to make their cage bigger, and after some time the walls would slowly slide back to usual battery cage size. Researchers were trying to find out how much space was actually too little from a battery hen's point of view. Again, this was a study from the "industry" and I hope here we are never trying to find the bare minimum space they need, but it is an interesting premise: let the chickens decide for themselves how much room they want. California did enact larger sized cages long before the rest of the nation based on these studies.

I think it was mentioned earlier in this thread that after California enacted the ban on battery hens (2018), egg-producers here have had to re-think breeding egglayers. For so long they had bred lines of egg-layers that would be productive in cages and these same lines were not as healthy or as productive cage-free. So new lines are being developed for the cage-free industry. A small step-in the right direction, at least. Maybe we'll eventually get to all pasture raised eggs and won't see battery hen lines bred at all.

For me, my entire backyard is smaller than some people's runs. Following local regs, I did manage to fit in a coop/run that could have housed 4 full sized hens according to the guides set here on BYC. However, even as a chickens newbie 12 years ago, it just seemed wrong to me, too tight, hence the 3 bantams instead.
 
For the record, I have done most of my hands-on biology field research and illustrating in temperate to tropical climates. So my view of "winter" is a bit skewed. But it seems to me that for many if not most wild animals (deer, wolves, whatever), a harsh winter is not something to enjoy but something to endure.
 
Online searches sure are frustrating. I have seen read and all sorts of relevant studies and articles that are rattling around in my head and can't seem to find any of them online! :barnie

On the subject of the amount of room chickens need:

I recall seeing a video quite a while ago of an experiment where they put a few battery type hens in a cage with walls that would slide out and make the cage bigger. The hens soon learned that they could peck at a target to make their cage bigger, and after some time the walls would slowly slide back to usual battery cage size. Researchers were trying to find out how much space was actually too little from a battery hen's point of view. Again, this was a study from the "industry" and I hope here we are never trying to find the bare minimum space they need, but it is an interesting premise: let the chickens decide for themselves how much room they want. California did enact larger sized cages long before the rest of the nation based on these studies.

I think it was mentioned earlier in this thread that after California enacted the ban on battery hens (2018), egg-producers here have had to re-think breeding egglayers. For so long they had bred lines of egg-layers that would be productive in cages and these same lines were not as healthy or as productive cage-free. So new lines are being developed for the cage-free industry. A small step-in the right direction, at least. Maybe we'll eventually get to all pasture raised eggs and won't see battery hen lines bred at all.

For me, my entire backyard is smaller than some people's runs. Following local regs, I did manage to fit in a coop/run that could have housed 4 full sized hens according to the guides set here on BYC. However, even as a chickens newbie 12 years ago, it just seemed wrong to me, too tight, hence the 3 bantams instead.
So what do we think. Battery hens have been damaged to such an extent that they suffer from agrophobia?
 
There is a very fair test for how cold is too cold.
Those of you with those creepy furry things that travel around on the back of witches broomstick could try seeing what "the cat" thinks of living outside, deprived of it's place by the fire. After all, cats have all that lovley fur to keep them warm and I'm sure they've been bred to be cold hardy.
Should I move all the chickens into my husband's shop shop with the cats?? It's not heated (unless he's in there) but it's far warmer than the outside or the coop. I can just picture his face seeing 26 chickens roosting on his project wood and tools. 😂

Tax! Here's a blurry view through the window to where my chickens were sunning themselves yesterday. Today there's no sun. ☹️
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That is an interesting idea.
They do have a choice of roost including one that is in a more enclosed area. They use that during the day for communal preening seasons after breakfast, but only on a couple of occasions has anyone (Minnie) chosen to stay there overnight.
I do have a box inside the coop which is my hospital ward (and where I brooded the Roadrunners. I hadn’t thought of keeping that open as a roosting option.
I will have to ponder on that.
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A coop within a coop so to speak might be easier to keep warm. It might be an interesting experiment.
 
So what do we think. Battery hens have been damaged to such an extent that they suffer from agrophobia?
If I am remembering correctly, the researchers in that first study found that the hens did not peck at the target to always keep the cage at its maximum size, but they found some size threshold that would trigger the hens to peck for a bigger cage.

Your Ex Batts are proving with time and patience they can overcome their breeding to a certain extent, but yeah, I know they have been breeding for that awful phrase "bears confinement well" and it stands to reason that they wouldn't be foragers.
 
One year ago today this was occurring outside the coop complex.

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This is how they spent their day. By choice.

I wonder if that's because they don't like the snow or don't like the cold. Maybe both.
Do you know what the temperature is in the coop Bob?
 

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