Shadrach's Ex Battery and Rescued chickens thread.

Yes, I saw that and am glad for @ManueB and for Caramel.

It has been an interesting discussion and stirs up some emotions. It comes at a tough time for me as I am treating, maybe over-treating, a sick pullet and am consciously making the euthanize or keep treating decision every day. It is hard.

The extreme cases are much easier.
  • A vigorous chicken who gets a superficial wound - I am sure we would all clean it up and treat with some sort of infection prevention spray/cream
  • An elderly chicken who after a long decline is lethargic and clearly in their final hours - I am sure we would all agree with @Ribh that the kindest thing is to keep that chicken calm and in a familiar place and let nature take its course
  • A badly wounded chicken in pain with no prospect of recovery or repair - I am sure we would all agree that euthanasia is the kindest thing to do
It is the cases in between that challenge us the most and as @GregnLety said, sometimes you just need to follow your heart. Hopefully that 'heart' is informed by experience or advice from others whose intent is good and who have some knowledge (whether they are a vet or not).

And the ex-batts may be the hardest group of all for whom to decide these things. To accept that they will die soon is not the same as seeing them as a dead chicken walking.

I think we would all agree that even an ex-batt with reproductive issues deserves a dab of Vaseline to help her with her scaly leg mites. Probably also OK to add extra protein to help her through a tough molt.

Those are easy because, maybe with some help from people here, we can figure it out for ourselves and can do the treatment ourselves.

But what if we don’t have those skills or knowledge? If we have the means to consult someone with more knowledge (a vet) and there is one available, should we deny the dead hen walking ex-batt that service?

A couple of examples come to my mind. One is an abscess near the eye. It is likely to look awful and cause pain. Left untreated it can lead to death in a variety of ways. I am guessing only the most experienced would be confident in their diagnosis (vs a tumor for example) and even fewer would feel confident in wielding a scalpel to relieve the pressure and remove the pus and cure the animal. I would take that chicken to a vet if I could.

Another is impacted crop that has not cleared with the usual at home remedies. Crop surgery can work. It can be done at home. But for the faint of heart that is another example where a vet could intervene and return that hen’s quality of life until. Again, I would go the vet route if I felt the vet was competent to handle it and I could afford to do so.

I think my point is that these are very individual decisions. Each chicken is different, and each individual’s circumstances are different. I think it is fine to have some principles to help guide these decisions, but I am wary of anyone who believes they know the answers.

So, bravo to Manue for having the courage to hear our conflicting views, and bravo also to her for following her heart.
And of course, all best wishes to Caramel..

I understand I have now likely over-stayed my welcome so I apologize and I am off out to assess quality of life for my poor sick Bella.
Good post. I think my view isn't well balanced currently. There are so many problems that need dealing with at the allotments and so few resources that what's best for everyone rather than the individual is what I'm left with. This isn't necessarily the case for others.
 
Good post. I think my view isn't well balanced currently. There are so many problems that need dealing with at the allotments and so few resources that what's best for everyone rather than the individual is what I'm left with. This isn't necessarily the case for others.
And not necessarily the case for you in other circumstances.
I find it curiously challenging to have both inter- and intra-species empathy - what is right for that chicken in that person's circumstances?
Tough call - so advice given in these situations should probably always be taken with a big pinch of salt!
 
Good Morning X Batts. I am one that I will admit the banty are more like pets.
The big birds I care for them, non the less they are live stock.
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Good Morning X Batts. I am one that I will admit the banty are more like pets.
The big birds I care for them, non the less they are live stock.View attachment 3198295

I would love to say they are pets but pets they are not.

I had a couple out of the first eight chickens I bought that I would have called pets.
 
Ex Batts good afternoon one and all!

89 partly sunny 61 % humidity feels like 100 with thunderstorms moving through today.

Have a great day!

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The birthday dinner was a huge success.

We had crawfish, snow crabs, steamed oysters, scallops, blue crabs, giant fish sandwich, seafood mac, and shrimp with sides of potatoes, corn on the cob, sausage, boiled eggs, fries, and fried corn.


The oldest granddaughter didn't make as she was working.

She ask several of her co-workers to trade shifts with her and even offered to pay them to work for her with no takers.

We sent some take-out for her to enjoy.

We took very little food home with us.
 
Hey everyone, been gone for a while trying to get settled after moving. Still plenty to do, but not feeling quite so overwhelmed as before. I had a lot of reading to catch up on! Congrats to @Shadrach for all the views, my condolences to @no fly zone and @ManueB for the passing of their birds.

There’s plenty I wanted to chime in on, but I managed to refrain except for one thing - the baggy pants. I’ll pay tax for reverting to an old off topic tax at the end.
I want to know what happens if they need to run!
I’ve been a teacher for over a decade now and have seen the baggy pants come and go, and most actually do wear a belt, surprisingly enough. Suspenders would be very, very uncool. If one needs to run, they’ll either hold onto their pants with one or both hands so as not to trip themselves. The swiveling way one has to walk to keep the pants up can lead to hip problems, but trust someone doing something ridiculous to look cool to ignore future health problems at all costs.

What I wanted to share was that in the US, anyway, the low baggy pants are a carryover from prison culture. Inmates have sexual urges and satisfy them in different ways - the lower your pants in a prison, the more an ‘invitation’ it is to other inmates. Most teenagers have no idea what it is that they are copying, they just see older, “cooler” people wearing clothes a certain way and mimic it.

My new house has precious little shade, which I am working to remedy, but it will take time for the trees and shrubs to provide adequate shade for my girls. For now, they have access to the underside of half my deck so they have ample shade in our mid-90 (~35 C) degree weather we have all summer. They love having more space to roam, and the grass has held up pretty well since they have the added space to spread out their scratching. My end goal is to have the chicken area planted with fruit trees with shrubs and herbs in their understory - a permaculture approach to an orchard. I also plan to seed a forage mix to compete with/replace the grass so they have better quality forage available also. I’m also planning to plant an area of the yard as a pollinator garden, as a lot of people have grass and non-flowering shrubs, so my bees have fewer options than the old place.

My neighbors thought the chicken coop was a shed, and we’re surprised to find out that such a large structure was for chickens. Lots of people have chickens here, and the extent to which they let their chickens out to forage varies a lot. My husband calls it the chicken palace, and while he isn’t much of a chicken person, he does understand that it’s important to give these hardworking girls a good space to live, and also that it’s important to me that these ladies have as much freedom as I can give them. He and my father in law did most of the building, while I was busily getting grass ripped up and planted into a garden.

Cordelia is recovering from an impacted crop, which I have never dealt with before but finally caught in to what was wrong when she kept in doing a funny head bob trying to readjust her crop. She hates being touched but I told her this morning that I’ll stop bothering her in a couple days when I know for sure that things aren’t backing up. The funny thing is she’ll come and hang out next to me if I’m just sitting in the grass, so at least she doesn’t view me as a complete enemy.

Tax:
1. Cordelia, the day I treated her impacted crop
2. Sophia, currently broody 😳 in this heat!
3-7. Everyone enjoying the cooler evening temperatures
8. Garden is mostly thriving. Lots of composted manure from a local boarding stable to amend the heavy clay soil here.
 

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A lot depends on your relationship with your chickens. Lots here on BYC view them only as livestock & have no qualms about culling them. Others, like @MJ & myself keep them more as pets. MJ has access to a very good avian vet & some disposable income. Until recently I had no access to a vet & very little disposable income. The rest fall somewhere inbetween. I view any trip to the vet as a learning experience. Mine keeps chickens herself, as do many of her associates, but often it's an exchange of information, chickens being what they are.
My chicken keeping is more in line with you and MJ than those who view them as livestock. But you already know that.
 
Yes, I saw that and am glad for @ManueB and for Caramel.

It has been an interesting discussion and stirs up some emotions. It comes at a tough time for me as I am treating, maybe over-treating, a sick pullet and am consciously making the euthanize or keep treating decision every day. It is hard.

The extreme cases are much easier.
  • A vigorous chicken who gets a superficial wound - I am sure we would all clean it up and treat with some sort of infection prevention spray/cream
  • An elderly chicken who after a long decline is lethargic and clearly in their final hours - I am sure we would all agree with @Ribh that the kindest thing is to keep that chicken calm and in a familiar place and let nature take its course
  • A badly wounded chicken in pain with no prospect of recovery or repair - I am sure we would all agree that euthanasia is the kindest thing to do
It is the cases in between that challenge us the most and as @GregnLety said, sometimes you just need to follow your heart. Hopefully that 'heart' is informed by experience or advice from others whose intent is good and who have some knowledge (whether they are a vet or not).

And the ex-batts may be the hardest group of all for whom to decide these things. To accept that they will die soon is not the same as seeing them as a dead chicken walking.

I think we would all agree that even an ex-batt with reproductive issues deserves a dab of Vaseline to help her with her scaly leg mites. Probably also OK to add extra protein to help her through a tough molt.

Those are easy because, maybe with some help from people here, we can figure it out for ourselves and can do the treatment ourselves.

But what if we don’t have those skills or knowledge? If we have the means to consult someone with more knowledge (a vet) and there is one available, should we deny the dead hen walking ex-batt that service?

A couple of examples come to my mind. One is an abscess near the eye. It is likely to look awful and cause pain. Left untreated it can lead to death in a variety of ways. I am guessing only the most experienced would be confident in their diagnosis (vs a tumor for example) and even fewer would feel confident in wielding a scalpel to relieve the pressure and remove the pus and cure the animal. I would take that chicken to a vet if I could.

Another is impacted crop that has not cleared with the usual at home remedies. Crop surgery can work. It can be done at home. But for the faint of heart that is another example where a vet could intervene and return that hen’s quality of life. Again, I would go the vet route if I felt the vet was competent to handle it and I could afford to do so.

I think my point is that these are very individual decisions. Each chicken is different, and each individual’s circumstances are different. I think it is fine to have some principles to help guide these decisions, but I am wary of anyone who believes they know the answers.

So, bravo to Manue for having the courage to hear our conflicting views, and bravo also to her for following her heart.
And of course, all best wishes to Caramel..

I understand I have now likely over-stayed my welcome so I apologize and I am off out to assess quality of life for my poor sick Bella.
Well said, RC. Really. All of it. Thank you for taking the time.
 
Hey everyone, been gone for a while trying to get settled after moving. Still plenty to do, but not feeling quite so overwhelmed as before. I had a lot of reading to catch up on! Congrats to @Shadrach for all the views, my condolences to @no fly zone and @ManueB for the passing of their birds.

There’s plenty I wanted to chime in on, but I managed to refrain except for one thing - the baggy pants. I’ll pay tax for reverting to an old off topic tax at the end.

I’ve been a teacher for over a decade now and have seen the baggy pants come and go, and most actually do wear a belt, surprisingly enough. Suspenders would be very, very uncool. If one needs to run, they’ll either hold onto their pants with one or both hands so as not to trip themselves. The swiveling way one has to walk to keep the pants up can lead to hip problems, but trust someone doing something ridiculous to look cool to ignore future health problems at all costs.

What I wanted to share was that in the US, anyway, the low baggy pants are a carryover from prison culture. Inmates have sexual urges and satisfy them in different ways - the lower your pants in a prison, the more an ‘invitation’ it is to other inmates. Most teenagers have no idea what it is that they are copying, they just see older, “cooler” people wearing clothes a certain way and mimic it.

My new house has precious little shade, which I am working to remedy, but it will take time for the trees and shrubs to provide adequate shade for my girls. For now, they have access to the underside of half my deck so they have ample shade in our mid-90 (~35 C) degree weather we have all summer. They love having more space to roam, and the grass has held up pretty well since they have the added space to spread out their scratching. My end goal is to have the chicken area planted with fruit trees with shrubs and herbs in their understory - a permaculture approach to an orchard. I also plan to seed a forage mix to compete with/replace the grass so they have better quality forage available also. I’m also planning to plant an area of the yard as a pollinator garden, as a lot of people have grass and non-flowering shrubs, so my bees have fewer options than the old place.

My neighbors thought the chicken coop was a shed, and we’re surprised to find out that such a large structure was for chickens. Lots of people have chickens here, and the extent to which they let their chickens out to forage varies a lot. My husband calls it the chicken palace, and while he isn’t much of a chicken person, he does understand that it’s important to give these hardworking girls a good space to live, and also that it’s important to me that these ladies have as much freedom as I can give them. He and my father in law did most of the building, while I was busily getting grass ripped up and planted into a garden.

Cordelia is recovering from an impacted crop, which I have never dealt with before but finally caught in to what was wrong when she kept in doing a funny head bob trying to readjust her crop. She hates being touched but I told her this morning that I’ll stop bothering her in a couple days when I know for sure that things aren’t backing up. The funny thing is she’ll come and hang out next to me if I’m just sitting in the grass, so at least she doesn’t view me as a complete enemy.

Tax:
1. Cordelia, the day I treated her impacted crop
2. Sophia, currently broody 😳 in this heat!
3-7. Everyone enjoying the cooler evening temperatures
8. Garden is mostly thriving. Lots of composted manure from a local boarding stable to amend the heavy clay soil here.
Happy to hear from you ! It sounds like you are enjoying you new place and have lots of projects. I hope Cordelia's crop returns to normal. And that your girls will fare with the heat- but that seems to be the case in so many places now! Seem you have some mountains in the background ?
I've been thinking about you because of my borages 🙂. Only one survived from all the seeds I started inside ! They were thriving at first but got eaten up by some kind of bug. And the one and only borage blooming now really doesn't like the heavy wind we have here, so I had to tutor it. I also had a few that grew among the vegetables reseeding themselves spontaneously, but when we started restricting watering, they all died! But I'm not giving up, now I know in which spot of the garden it survived I'll plant more there next year ✊.
 

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