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[kathyinmo]

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Another reason I believe they are EE is because I hatched over 100 F1s. ALL of them were barred. No sports.

hmm.. good point.

What differences did you notice on chick phenotype, if any are to be noted?

Honestly, I did not pay attention. I kept a few pictures here ....
https://www.backyardchickens.com/web/viewblog.php?id=31282-project-d-pen-2

 

[kstaven]

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I've read that somewhere also. Once I get done "nailing down" all that I can find to effect shank color expression. My next "holy cow" hatches are going to be dedicated to finding that "terrible terrible" brassy gene.. LOL..

I guess I need to start reading on segregation's on the e allele ..

Hope you have A LOT of extra time on your hands to read.

I honestly believe in the end product getting this breed on track is going to be 25% research, 25% best guess decisions, and 50% luck. Along with that goes a whole load of dedication to the project.

 

[kathyinmo]

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Another reason I believe they are EE is because I hatched over 100 F1s. ALL of them were barred. No sports.

hmm.. good point.

What differences did you notice on chick phenotype, if any are to be noted?

Well, heck, I have some new F1 chicks now. I will check them over and see if I notice anything.

 

[bt2000]

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I agree, but I think with the amount of people mounting different "points of attack"... it will be worked out.

I think you forgot one thing though... and that would be putting a boat load of little feet on the ground.. LOL

I don't have the time I'd like to learning all I can on the genetics. But I retain what I read well, and on top of it, I'm trying to dedicate one "part" to test breeding to verify what I've read vs what I'm seeing in the birds. Example being I just "learned" something I didn't know, and had never heard of on Zooxanthino(yellow) in chorium alone or in both layers of epidermis. The lack of in both leads to white legs and only one leads to pale(possible green?)... Still reading more on that one. Then to figure out how to identify it.. LOL

 

[bt2000]

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True,... I wanted to reply to this, but wanted a minute to think about it.

I guess it boils down to "they bred true".. which is only going to happen with "correct genetic" combination's.

 

[kstaven]

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I agree, but I think with the amount of people mounting different "points of attack"... it will be worked out.

I think you forgot one thing though... and that would be putting a boat load of little feet on the ground.. LOL

I don't have the time I'd like to learning all I can on the genetics. But I retain what I read well, and on top of it, I'm trying to dedicate one "part" to test breeding to verify what I've read vs what I'm seeing in the birds. Example being I just "learned" something I didn't know, and had never heard of on Zooxanthino(yellow) in chorium alone or in both layers of epidermis. The lack of in both leads to white legs and only one leads to pale(possible green?)... Still reading more on that one. Then to figure out how to identify it.. LOL

I agree. Lots of little feet and different approaches. Now if we can keep some co-operation and shared info at the top of the list and egos at the bottom all will be well.

Test matings ... Ah yes ... Reminds me of bringing in a cock bird from a noted breeder/breeding line. He looked great but the chicks from those breedings showed an obvious cross is his line. Really messes one up when they don't expect it and are doing the mating to determine something else. Guess that is why I am always a sceptic even when it comes to long term lines and even breeders of note.

 

[kstaven]

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True,... I wanted to reply to this, but wanted a minute to think about it.

I guess it boils down to "they bred true".. which is only going to happen with "correct genetic" combination's.

True ... Where it gets mind bending or numbing is when you consider all the potential permutations, combinations, and sequences of order that have to come together to create what we call the Delaware. Now to get all that exactly right considering what we do know and what we potentially do not know the exact consequences of. Guess this is what I love about the whole thing.

 

[bt2000]

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That is one point I couldn't agree with more.. spirited "debate" is one thing.. differing points of view are a good thing.. as long as it stays productive and not a matter of aggression.

On your second part, You and I are definitely on the same page..

 

[kathyinmo]

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George Ellis was a hatchery man. What were hatcheries like back then? He may have used what was available. OR, maybe he knew better than to begin with lower quality birds. Gosh, who knows!


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I hope we can all share what we know, too. Heck, it's not a competition as to who knows the most or who got the luckiest in matings!

 

[bt2000]

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George Ellis was a hatchery man. What were hatcheries like back then? He may have used what was available. OR, maybe he knew better than to begin with lower quality birds. Gosh, who knows!

Agreed, his motivation I would imagine was totally monetary. But I do believe there was a lot of competition to come up with the "super broiler" back in that day.


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I hope we can all share what we know, too. Heck, it's not a competition as to who knows the most or who got the luckiest in matings!

again couldn't agree more..