Show off your Delawares! *PIC HEAVY*

[joletabey]

I can't comment much on the BR X NH cross, not being a genetics expert, but Lotsa is experimenting with an old Delaware breeders trick. I met a gentleman at Ohio who is associated with the SPPA who bred Delawares in the 70's and he said the best way to get the tails corrected on your Delaware hens is to breed a superior Delaware roo to NH hens, and then the females of that breeding back to the Del roo. He said this is a practice he used successfully.
I did post that a while back, and it is on the Delaware club site, too. Lotsa, you should be a big jump ahead on your hens with this. Can't wait to see some pictures. Are you worried about red bleeding through? I keep wondering about that, if how many generations it would take to get rid of it - If you have talked about that already and I have missed it, I apologize- I am just trying to catch up with this thread!

Walt gives good advice when he says the RIR will probably give the wrong body type. If you look at the SOP, the underline on the Delaware is a definite bowl shape.

 

[fowlman01]

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IMO: Genetic calculators etc would be great if you really knew what genes the birds have, but you cant tell by looking at them. In other words it may look like a barred Rock or a New Hamp, but unless you know what that bird is really carrying, the only way to find out is to breed it for a few generations. The old time breeders did it that way. They had no idea what the birds had in them. It was trial and error with a bit of common sense gained through experience breeding. There is a guy on the Wheaten Marans thread that is doing it the old fashioned way and he is pretty much years ahead of the folks doing the genetic thing. He has good bodies, proper tail angle and no white fluff that everyone else has.

It would be great if you could figure it out ahead of time and know the results, but it just doesn't happen that way. I think people get too wrapped up in these formula's. You have to know that if someone suggests crossing to a RIR they are only thinking of color, not shape. That is another reason I don't like the genetic formula's. I will say this again and it is not to annoy people, but the only genetic whiz I know of who could actually produce good birds was Fred Jeffrey. You can do this stuff on paper all day long and it doesn't mean that it will actually work....too many variables in chickens.

Walt

 

[Jared77]

First I went to this page http://kippenjungle.nl/Overzicht.htm

and on the left side look for chicken calculator link. Click that. That takes you to another page that looks like this http://kippenjungle.nl/kruising.html?mgt=Sloc:s+/s+,Iloc:i+/i+,Eloc:e+/e+&fgt=Sloc:s+/-,Iloc:i+/i+,Eloc:e+/e+

Then click on the "show examples button" and it will give you a range of the common color/patterns for both sexes. If you move your mouse over the picture it will tell you what it is. Dominant white, Colombian, barred etc. Do the same for the hen. Once you click on whatever color you want it goes back. If you make a mistake just click on the show example button and you can fix your mistake.

Then look for the calculate crossing button. This will show you what you get. Each color combination in both hen and roo will appear. Genotype is the actual genetics that make up the colors. It shows you what the bird could be carrying etc. The phenotype (listed after the genotypes) are what the bird actually looks like.

Now on the genotype you can click a link that says continue with this male or continue with this female and that will become the new bird that you want to breed with. Either the hen or roo, or both if you wanted to cross those colors and see what you get. Or you can click to save that bird for later breeding so you don't have to go and recreate the bird later if you wanted to bring a roo back in for breeding or put a different hen under a roo who's carrying other colors.

Hope this helps

 

[Lotsapaints]

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Never read it on the Del site just trying it I don't worry about bleeding I'm trying to get type.....I have some good birds from Wynette just trying to get the Dels to look that way also......5 years not really a long time....while I'm striving to get type I hope to learn how to get the color right.....figure I'll always have plenty to eat

 

[fowlman01]

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Never read it on the Del site just trying it I don't worry about bleeding I'm trying to get type.....I have some good birds from Wynette just trying to get the Dels to look that way also......5 years not really a long time....while I'm striving to get type I hope to learn how to get the color right.....figure I'll always have plenty to eat

You are doing it the right way. It is not a Del if it does not have type.....even if the color was perfect.

Walt

 

[joletabey]

Lotsa, the advice given me was definitely to breed the hens back to the superior Del roo you used to create them. This was a tip for improving the type and tail in the hens, and I got the impression it didn't do much for the roos, so it will be totally fascinating to see what happens. And you are right, if it doesn't work, you should at least have a full freezer and some really good layers!

 

[catdaddyfro]

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Then what are you going to cross the silver pullet with?

catdaddy

ps Just to clear the air some, I see after I posted that the Del. male over a RIR would create the same color as crossing the Del. male with a NH. I didnt post anything about type as I didnt see it being even in the op's question. I just gathered they wanted Delaware patterned birds as they were talking about creating the same thing that some hatcheries are calling Indian Rivers which are no where close to being Delawares. OK

Oh and Kathy I also came up with another cross you might try also as I never got around to it 30 years ago when I was trying the BRx NH cross, as they werent popular back then. You could try a Black Sex-link roo over the NH hens that would be another example of a not pure Barred male to try. You might ask Tim(tadkerson) about that if you look on his webpage you can see his Rhode Island Silvers as they are looking close to the Delaware patterned not TYPE but he could possibly give some pointers on the use of the NH females though

 

[jeremy]

Jesse McDaniel is auctioning 12+ Delaware hatching eggs on Ebay right now.

http://cgi.ebay.com/One-Dozen-12-De...ultDomain_0&hash=item3cb46cec79#ht_500wt_1156

 

[catdaddyfro]

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Then what are you going to cross the silver pullet with?

catdaddy

ps Just to clear the air some, I see after I posted that the Del. male over a RIR would create the same color as crossing the Del. male with a NH. I didnt post anything about type as I didnt see it being even in the op's question. I just gathered they wanted Delaware patterned birds as they were talking about creating the same thing that some hatcheries are calling Indian Rivers which are no where close to being Delawares. OK

Oh and Kathy I also came up with another cross you might try also as I never got around to it 30 years ago when I was trying the BRx NH cross, as they werent popular back then. You could try a Black Sex-link roo over the NH hens that would be another example of a not pure Barred male to try. You might ask Tim(tadkerson) about that if you look on his webpage you can see his Rhode Island Silvers as they are looking close to the Delaware patterned not TYPE but he could possibly give some pointers on the use of the NH females though

The first are males: Barred;Black;Delaware;Split gold/silver males
The last ones are females: Buff Columbian; Barred Buff Columbian & Silver Columbian

I will cross the Delaware male with the Silver Columbian female to get 100% Delaware chicks. Well, that is the plan, anyway.

Yes, I have been in touch with Tim. He is one of the best!

Alright, go get em girl, you got it going on there, I wish I'd had all this great info back in the day when I was crossing these two breeds but that was long ago and I was young too and don't remember a lot of my results any way, but I'm sure interested in yours though keep us informed on the fruits of your labours,

catdaddy

 

[jeremy]

So this is a picture of me "saving" one of my Delawares from the creek that runs along the property line of my house. The bank slopes down to a point where it's rather low by the chicken run. I guess one of my pullets who is just starting to lay decided it would be a good idea to fly down and "swim" over to that little rocky area to the left of me in the picture. What was she doing there? Laying her egg, not even kidding! Then she started screaming as if something was killing her, waiting for me to rescue her. The egg is in my hand in the picture.

Sorry about the quality of the photo, I was getting laughed out while wading through freezing cold water to save her...

Lesson learned here?
DON'T let the girls out of the coop before they lay their eggs tomorrow morning.