Show off your Delawares! *PIC HEAVY*

[catdaddyfro]

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Alright thats a good thing there Kathy and it is just as I had expected my-self that they all should be barred in the F1 cross they should feather out with a lot more white in the head down through the neck and fade into a greyish blue barred/cuckoo pattern. Atleast thats what Ive always ended up with on the first cross of a barred male over a red black-tail hen.

catdaddy

 

[kathyinmo]

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Alright thats a good thing there Kathy and it is just as I had expected my-self that they all should be barred in the F1 cross they should feather out with a lot more white in the head down through the neck and fade into a greyish blue barred/cuckoo pattern. Atleast thats what Ive always ended up with on the first cross of a barred male over a red black-tail hen.

catdaddy

Doug Akers got half Delawares from his small hatch (of 12 I think) with the first cross. He was not sure of the history of the Barred Rock. The genetics gurus I talk with said it had to be a cross, or not pure.

Makes me wonder though.... what did George Ellis use when he created the Delaware?

 

[Hillbilly Hen]

Kathy, the book I have says Barred Plymouth Rock and New Hampshire

 

[kathyinmo]

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Yes, I know that ..... but what I wonder is ..... was the Barred Rock pure? He was a hatchery man, and I wonder if it was a true Barred Rock or a cross.

 

[Hillbilly Hen]

Good question.... Hmmmm.... the world may never know....

 

[catdaddyfro]

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Yes, I know that ..... but what I wonder is ..... was the Barred Rock pure? He was a hatchery man, and I wonder if it was a true Barred Rock or a cross.

yeah, youll just have to hatch a bunch and hope your superman crops out to cross back over the NH's but if your luck is like mine you'll have to end up going about it in the good old fashioned way of trial and error, I imagine. Not trying to send any bad vibes or nothing your way, I hope you get it quickly I want to see 'um. I'm impatiently waiting still

catdaddy

 

[fowlman01]

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yes you get the same results crossing the Delaware male over Rhode Island red females(RIR, NH, Prod. red) all are considered Black- tailed Red or Red Columbian feather pattern, the male and female offspring will all have the Delaware feather color and pattern(dilluted barring) some may have a little red leakage or brassiness in the neck and back feathers. Hope that helps out some.

catdaddy

Thanks, I appreciate all the info.

It will have the right color pattern with that cross, but it won't have the same type as the new hamp cross. The New hamp cross has the correct body to make a Del a RIR does not. It is a rectangle as opposed to a bowl shape.

Walt

 

[catdaddyfro]

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Yes, I know that ..... but what I wonder is ..... was the Barred Rock pure? He was a hatchery man, and I wonder if it was a true Barred Rock or a cross.

Well see this is another one of those trial and error things I had mentioned, now for another experiment you can use your F1 cross male over the NH hen to see what the outcome of that cross might yield, as he would only have one copy of the barred allel so that would make him not pure barred, right. There's really no telling how many combos it took to get the results he needed to make the Delaware patterned bird. As I understand it the "sport" that cropped out was purely inccidental to begin with, right.

catdaddy

 

[Serrin]

I really don't know the first darn thing about crossing this with that and what to expect, and as such, I should probably keep my big yap shut. But [and there's always a "but" isn't there?] having said that, I seem to recall reading somewhere, [it may have even been in this thread] that the "Sports" were the ones that Ellis crossed in his third [or maybe it was even the 4th] generation to finally achieve the Delaware.

I could be mistaken on this, and I'm sure that if I am, someone will kindly correct me. I just thought I'd throw that out there.

 

[Jared77]

Could his barred rock be carrying the colombian pattern? But when crossed to red....I dont know if that works or not.

Was this ever proven that he used this? The problem I have is how red factors into this at all. I seriously wonder if it was a ploy. Being a hatchery guy he might not have made a mistake and put a dominant white with them instead of a recessive white. Or maybe he was trying to confuse everybody and claimed a New Hampshire to isolate the market on this new breed. I was playing with the chicken calculator last night (couldnt sleep) so I started making imaginary crossings. Tried to recreate the Delaware and this is as close as I could get.

http://kippenjungle.nl/kruising.htm...loc:e+/e+&fgt=Sloc:s+/-,Iloc:i+/i+,Eloc:e+/e+ is the original pairing

Then put those 2 together.

http://kippenjungle.nl/kruising.htm...loc:e+/e+&fgt=Sloc:s+/-,Iloc:i+/i+,Eloc:e+/e+

if you scroll down far enough you'll find a hen with black patterned silver (incomplete) columbian and a lot of red birds that might be worth working with to possibly give you that colombian pattern again. So maybe it was a red bird that he claimed was a "New Hampshire". Tough to say as there are a lot of combinations out there. But its got my wheels turning....