guys i got a question , how can you tell the difference from a madagascar game compared to a NN or turken ? , ive seen some pics of some peoples birds they say are madagascar games but they look the same as a nn or turken to me
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That's because a lot of people get them from hatcheries, who ruined their original stock (from Ideal hatchery) by crossing them with Naked Necks.
Real Madagascar game should look, truly, like a husky, almost flabby-skinned, oriental gamefowl, just without feathers around the neck. They should have little to no waddle or comb, and an upright build.
Naked Necks are more just a dual purpose looking chicken with a single comb and no feathers around the neck. Also, they usually come in solid colors.
That's because a lot of people get them from hatcheries, who ruined their original stock (from Ideal hatchery) by crossing them with Naked Necks.
Real Madagascar game should look, truly, like a husky, almost flabby-skinned, oriental gamefowl, just without feathers around the neck. They should have little to no waddle or comb, and an upright build.
Naked Necks are more just a dual purpose looking chicken with a single comb and no feathers around the neck. Also, they usually come in solid colors.
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That's because a lot of people get them from hatcheries, who ruined their original stock (from Ideal hatchery) by crossing them with Naked Necks.
Real Madagascar game should look, truly, like a husky, almost flabby-skinned, oriental gamefowl, just without feathers around the neck. They should have little to no waddle or comb, and an upright build.
Naked Necks are more just a dual purpose looking chicken with a single comb and no feathers around the neck. Also, they usually come in solid colors.
ok thanks , i have a roo who is black with dark red saddle feathers , who i figure was a NN / turken , but wasnt really sure due to the people he come from raise games , so i guess he could be a cross but idk , he is gamey tho , i found that out really quick , i go tthis roo and a hen the hen is more of a hatch coloring with a few specks of black occasionaly on her feathers .... again idk she is pretty moody too
That's because a lot of people get them from hatcheries, who ruined their original stock (from Ideal hatchery) by crossing them with Naked Necks.
Real Madagascar game should look, truly, like a husky, almost flabby-skinned, oriental gamefowl, just without feathers around the neck. They should have little to no waddle or comb, and an upright build.
Naked Necks are more just a dual purpose looking chicken with a single comb and no feathers around the neck. Also, they usually come in solid colors.
ok thanks , i have a roo who is black with dark red saddle feathers , who i figure was a NN / turken , but wasnt really sure due to the people he come from raise games , so i guess he could be a cross but idk , he is gamey tho , i found that out really quick , i go tthis roo and a hen the hen is more of a hatch coloring with a few specks of black occasionaly on her feathers .... again idk she is pretty moody too
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That's because a lot of people get them from hatcheries, who ruined their original stock (from Ideal hatchery) by crossing them with Naked Necks.
Real Madagascar game should look, truly, like a husky, almost flabby-skinned, oriental gamefowl, just without feathers around the neck. They should have little to no waddle or comb, and an upright build.
Naked Necks are more just a dual purpose looking chicken with a single comb and no feathers around the neck. Also, they usually come in solid colors.
ok thanks , i have a roo who is black with dark red saddle feathers , who i figure was a NN / turken , but wasnt really sure due to the people he come from raise games , so i guess he could be a cross but idk , he is gamey tho , i found that out really quick , i go tthis roo and a hen the hen is more of a hatch coloring with a few specks of black occasionaly on her feathers .... again idk she is pretty moody too
Madagascar Gamefowl/Malgache (not my birds.)
Taken from another forum, user - Doc.
Pair from Malgache at Ganoi.com.
Turken/Naked necks
Pics for from feathersite.
Looking upon the two breeds, you notice some differences. Some I noticed were, Malgache - Pea/cusion combs, stronger builds, harder/shorter feathers, pearl eyes (varies), a short strong beak as all Orientals, a dew lap with small wattles, "wrinkled" skin, and from what I have heard they're pretty poor layers as most Orientals are (but again, that varies). Weight is 12 pounds for a cock (though this can vary..) and 8 for hens, with a height for a cock being 28-30 inches.
Nakednecks/Turkens- Large single combs and wattles, production breed in build, softer/longer feathers, red eyes, "weak" beaks, no dewlap and tight skin, very good layers of large brown eggs. Weight for males is 7-8lbs hens 5 and a half to 6 and a half.
Once you begin looking at them more, it becomes easy to tell which are which. And you might not would even be able to tell people how you know, other than just "they have the look" and be accurate about it (I'm that way about a few breeds, but I have spent hours upon hours of looking at many different breeds, but if asked I will try to point out a few differences.) These are only some of the things I can tell you based on looks, personality wise I can't speak for other than gameness. With Madagascar games being games, cocks should not be able to be kept together at all.. If they can be kept together, then they are not gamefowl- they are barnyard fowl, and that goes for anything labeled as game.
I know very little regarding both breeds though, hopefully someone will come along and give more information or correct me
.
-Daniel
That's because a lot of people get them from hatcheries, who ruined their original stock (from Ideal hatchery) by crossing them with Naked Necks.
Real Madagascar game should look, truly, like a husky, almost flabby-skinned, oriental gamefowl, just without feathers around the neck. They should have little to no waddle or comb, and an upright build.
Naked Necks are more just a dual purpose looking chicken with a single comb and no feathers around the neck. Also, they usually come in solid colors.
ok thanks , i have a roo who is black with dark red saddle feathers , who i figure was a NN / turken , but wasnt really sure due to the people he come from raise games , so i guess he could be a cross but idk , he is gamey tho , i found that out really quick , i go tthis roo and a hen the hen is more of a hatch coloring with a few specks of black occasionaly on her feathers .... again idk she is pretty moody too
Madagascar Gamefowl/Malgache (not my birds.)
Turken/Naked necks
Looking upon the two breeds, you notice some differences. Some I noticed were, Malgache - Pea/cusion combs, stronger builds, harder/shorter feathers, pearl eyes (varies), a short strong beak as all Orientals, a dew lap with small wattles, "wrinkled" skin, and from what I have heard they're pretty poor layers as most Orientals are (but again, that varies). Weight is 12 pounds for a cock (though this can vary..) and 8 for hens, with a height for a cock being 28-30 inches.
Nakednecks/Turkens- Large single combs and wattles, production breed in build, softer/longer feathers, red eyes, "weak" beaks, no dewlap and tight skin, very good layers of large brown eggs. Weight for males is 7-8lbs hens 5 and a half to 6 and a half.
Once you begin looking at them more, it becomes easy to tell which are which. And you might not would even be able to tell people how you know, other than just "they have the look" and be accurate about it (I'm that way about a few breeds, but I have spent hours upon hours of looking at many different breeds, but if asked I will try to point out a few differences.) These are only some of the things I can tell you based on looks, personality wise I can't speak for other than gameness. With Madagascar games being games, cocks should not be able to be kept together at all.. If they can be kept together, then they are not gamefowl- they are barnyard fowl, and that goes for anything labeled as game.
I know very little regarding both breeds though, hopefully someone will come along and give more information or correct me
-Daniel
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Excellent comparison, DT!
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over that pair you found on ganoi.com!
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ok thanks , i have a roo who is black with dark red saddle feathers , who i figure was a NN / turken , but wasnt really sure due to the people he come from raise games , so i guess he could be a cross but idk , he is gamey tho , i found that out really quick , i go tthis roo and a hen the hen is more of a hatch coloring with a few specks of black occasionaly on her feathers .... again idk she is pretty moody too
Madagascar Gamefowl/Malgache (not my birds.)
http://i410.photobucket.com/albums/pp189/doceverett/spurs1036.jpg Taken from another forum, user - Doc.
http://www.ganoi.com/photopost/data/566/medium/Desnudos_de_Madagascar.JPGPair from Malgache at Ganoi.com.
-Daniel
On that pair!!
ok thanks , i have a roo who is black with dark red saddle feathers , who i figure was a NN / turken , but wasnt really sure due to the people he come from raise games , so i guess he could be a cross but idk , he is gamey tho , i found that out really quick , i go tthis roo and a hen the hen is more of a hatch coloring with a few specks of black occasionaly on her feathers .... again idk she is pretty moody too
Madagascar Gamefowl/Malgache (not my birds.)
http://i410.photobucket.com/albums/pp189/doceverett/spurs1036.jpg Taken from another forum, user - Doc.
http://www.ganoi.com/photopost/data/566/medium/Desnudos_de_Madagascar.JPGPair from Malgache at Ganoi.com.
-Daniel
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To me, there are certain looks in build and body type that differ the Old English Games from the Americans. But it is hard to explain really. In the US, it can be put pretty simply- large fowl Old English Game's are not common, they are around. But they're not largely common anymore.. In the US they are allowed to have only white legs in light varieties and darker varieties can have black/blue. They also only have single combs, while Americans can have single/pea (which your bird's are pea combed) and have even seen a couple walnut combed birds (some American lines have Spanish fowl in them, which breeding a rose/pea comb together will, at least eventually, create a walnut comb. And since American gamefowl have Orientals in them, that can come into play too depending on what blood was used and how far back.)
None of these are my birds, but "maybe" this will show what I mean by some differences.
Old English Gamefowl
Blue cock from JohnV (another forum)
Black from JohnV
A White cock.
American Gamefowl
from 3mggamefarm (another forum).
If I had to pick out some for sure differences between the Old English and American fowl other than previously stated, I would say probably higher weight (average weight for American fowl is 4lbs 8oz's-6 pounds (which I imagine the Old English may only be slightly smaller, but it isn't rare for a American fowl to end up around 6 and a half to 7 pounds either) and longer feathers in general on the American fowl. But regarding the Americans especially, and Old English Gamefowl. It is difficult, since both at times look very close to each other based upon breeding selection and how much blood of each is in the other (take the Australian Old English Gamefowl, they look just or very much like American Gamefowl.. And that is all or mostly they are. And some Americans carry lots of Old English Game blood as well.)
Sorry if I make no sense
. Either way, I am 100% sure that your birds are American games.
-Daniel
To me, there are certain looks in build and body type that differ the Old English Games from the Americans. But it is hard to explain really. In the US, it can be put pretty simply- large fowl Old English Game's are not common, they are around. But they're not largely common anymore.. In the US they are allowed to have only white legs in light varieties and darker varieties can have black/blue. They also only have single combs, while Americans can have single/pea (which your bird's are pea combed) and have even seen a couple walnut combed birds (some American lines have Spanish fowl in them, which breeding a rose/pea comb together will, at least eventually, create a walnut comb. And since American gamefowl have Orientals in them, that can come into play too depending on what blood was used and how far back.)
None of these are my birds, but "maybe" this will show what I mean by some differences.
Old English Gamefowl
American Gamefowl
If I had to pick out some for sure differences between the Old English and American fowl other than previously stated, I would say probably higher weight (average weight for American fowl is 4lbs 8oz's-6 pounds (which I imagine the Old English may only be slightly smaller, but it isn't rare for a American fowl to end up around 6 and a half to 7 pounds either) and longer feathers in general on the American fowl. But regarding the Americans especially, and Old English Gamefowl. It is difficult, since both at times look very close to each other based upon breeding selection and how much blood of each is in the other (take the Australian Old English Gamefowl, they look just or very much like American Gamefowl.. And that is all or mostly they are. And some Americans carry lots of Old English Game blood as well.)
Sorry if I make no sense
-Daniel
And just because I feel like posting some more pictures for some of you to look at- Games of "old times". These pictures are from around 2000-2001. Fowl my dad raised since I was born pretty much..
Hatches -
Green legged hatch stag (Doc Robinson, his name was crooked toe.)
Stewart Yellow Legged hatch brood cock.
YLH Stag.
Griffin Claret cock (and hen in back)
(I called him the Old fat claret growing up, he was around 4-5 in this photo I imagine. He was the gentlest rooster I think we ever had except maybe Shamo and that is a close run.. I can never think of him even acting like he would be aggressive, and when we gave him to another guy to breed us some more of the bloodlines we just held him in our lap on the long drive with no problems).
Wingate Brownred stag.
Brown red cock.
And bad photo, but a McRae Black cock and a Wingate hen.
(Also gentle)
Hatches -
Griffin Claret cock (and hen in back)
(I called him the Old fat claret growing up, he was around 4-5 in this photo I imagine. He was the gentlest rooster I think we ever had except maybe Shamo and that is a close run.. I can never think of him even acting like he would be aggressive, and when we gave him to another guy to breed us some more of the bloodlines we just held him in our lap on the long drive with no problems).
And bad photo, but a McRae Black cock and a Wingate hen.
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HI DTchickens
Very nice looking Gamefowl. I could look at pictures of Gamefowl like that all day.
What breed is the picture of the White Game pair. They look a lot like the parents of the Thompson White stag I have. Only difference is the leg color.
G&G Game Farm
HI DTchickens
Very nice looking Gamefowl. I could look at pictures of Gamefowl like that all day.
What breed is the picture of the White Game pair. They look a lot like the parents of the Thompson White stag I have. Only difference is the leg color.
G&G Game Farm
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