Silkie breeding, genetics & showing

[Sonoran Silkies]

Zak, I don't think we have different diseases here, although prevalence of some diseases tends to be geographic: less likely in some areas, more likely in others. There are some states that will not allow entry of birds that have been ILT vaccinated. That may have changed; I think there have been advances in the ILT vaccines available, and there are ones that are no longer live viruses (with the potential of creating carrier birds).

Many people that I know who show do little or no vaccinating; others vaccinate selectively. I have heard of more than one case of people vaccinating and their entire flock then becoming ill with whatever they were vaccinating for.

Probably the most common thing I hear of Arizonans vaccinating for is fowl pox. Others I occasionally hear mentioned are bronchitis, coryza & mareks.

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

Quote: That's okay

THere are other New Yorkers here, too. All too often people operate under the assumption that things are done where they live is the way they are done everywhere. Helps to know that there are differences, and a discussion of WHY and WHAT is helpful. For one thing, if I want to show somwhere that has significantly different rules, I need to know them.

 

[City farm]

I can't wait to get some babies!

Awhhhh they are precious!!! Congrats!!!

 

[chisNchickens]

It has been brought to my attention that I have been nasty. Therefore I would like to say that those were not my intentions. I ask that you all forgive me as I'm not a "people person", I'm a little socially retarded

. I communicate much better with non-human animals. So, sorry to any and all who were put off. If I come off like an a**, feel free to say "hey you are being an a**". Maybe I should make better use of the smileys. Sigh.
I really am learning a lot - and I appreciate everyone's input.

 

[Me & Jack]

It has been brought to my attention that I have been nasty. Therefore I would like to say that those were not my intentions. I ask that you all forgive me as I'm not a "people person", I'm a little socially retarded

. I communicate much better with non-human animals. So, sorry to any and all who were put off. If I come off like an a**, feel free to say "hey you are being an a**". Maybe I should make better use of the smileys. Sigh.
I really am learning a lot - and I appreciate everyone's input.

Far better to speak your mind than say and then learn nothing. Your apology is appreciated and accepted -- not an easy thing to do, so I respect you for saying it, even if I wasn't personally offended by your comments.

 

[littlecritters]

No, just trying to gain a better understanding of it, stirring the pot usually works. I - having never had "livestock" prior to my birds - had no idea horses or cows had to have specific health clearances to show or leave the state as Hawk mentioned. Showing dogs is apparently very different. Of all the people selling birds and eggs here, very few are NPIP, hence the confusion.
So here's a question, if I want to be NPIP certified so that I can show my silkies, what about my LF laying birds? Do they have to be tested/banded too even though they aren't being shown?

Unfortunately, the USDA and APHIS websites are not rich with details on NPIP. NPIP is a voluntary federal program for backyard flock owners and varies a bit state by state. The minimum requirement for NPIP certification is to be free of Pullorium. It appears that each state has its own agreement with the USDA for NPIP testing of other avian diseases (AI, MG etc.) What appears consistent across the states is that NPIP is a full flock certification. This means that your entire flock of birds, 4 months and older, will be tested. It is possible that only a percentage of the flock would be tested if is extremely large.

The following is excerpted from an NPIP fact sheet....
"The National Poultry Improvement Plan (NPIP) was started in the early 1930s to coordinate State programs aimed at the elimination of pullorum disease from commercial poultry. Pullorum is a bacterial disease of poultry that is transmitted from a hen to her chicks via the egg. By testing adult birds and eliminating disease carriers from the breeding flock, commercial chicken and turkey producers have eliminated this costly disease."

"Although the NPIP has several classifications related to freedom from various diseases, the only required classification for Plan participation is 'U.S. Pullorum–Typhoid Clean.' "

"USDA–APHIS publishes the provisions of the NPIP in Title 9 of the Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) at sections (§§) 145 and 147. The CFR section on the NPIP is divided into subparts by product:
B—Egg-Type Chickens
C—Meat-Type Chickens
D—Turkeys
E—Waterfowl, Exhibition Poultry, and Game Birds"

*******Here is an easy-to-read guide for backyard Biosecurity that every flock owner should read---> http://www.aphis.usda.gov/publicati...rintable_version/USDA_BioGuide_Eng_8-2006.pdf

 

[mystdogs]

What appears consistent across the states is that NPIP is a full flock certification. This means that your entire flock of birds, 4 months and older, will be tested. It is possible that only a percentage of the flock would be tested if is extremely large.

What about new babies or birds/eggs brought in from other NPIP participants..are they covered in the full flock certification, or do I have to have another visit when the hatched chicks reach age? What about the older birds, will they be covered moving from one NPIP flock to another, even if they come from out of state?

 

[sager:)silkies]

Zak, I don't think we have different diseases here, although prevalence of some diseases tends to be geographic: less likely in some areas, more likely in others. There are some states that will not allow entry of birds that have been ILT vaccinated. That may have changed; I think there have been advances in the ILT vaccines available, and there are ones that are no longer live viruses (with the potential of creating carrier birds).

Many people that I know who show do little or no vaccinating; others vaccinate selectively. I have heard of more than one case of people vaccinating and their entire flock then becoming ill with whatever they were vaccinating for.

Probably the most common thing I hear of Arizonans vaccinating for is fowl pox. Others I occasionally hear mentioned are bronchitis, coryza & mareks.

great info suze and thank you

 

[littlecritters]

What about new babies or birds/eggs brought in from other NPIP participants..are they covered in the full flock certification, or do I have to have another visit when the hatched chicks reach age? What about the older birds, will they be covered moving from one NPIP flock to another, even if they come from out of state? 

From what I understand...when you purchase birds from another NPIP certified flock, those birds are covered. At your next NPIP certification, they would then be retested with your other birds. It would be good to check with your NPIP state agency to be sure.

 

[City farm]

Far better to speak your mind than say and then learn nothing. Your apology is appreciated and accepted -- not an easy thing to do, so I respect you for saying it, even if I wasn't personally offended by your comments.

Yes agreed! I missed the forum that you said
something ??
It is way better to ask for forgiveness so you can move on..
At least you do admit to not being a people person..
I wish some of my family/neighbors would say your exact
words... We could all get along much better...
You set a good example!..