SILVER PIED ??????

[Jack07]

Mon probleme ? quelle formule choisir pour symboliser un SILVER PIED

1) Arbor P/W/We/We
2) Peas Garden et d'autres P/W/Wesp/Wesp
3) Dani 12 P/W/We/Wesp !!!!!
4) Jay Louden SP/W/We/We

Par contre pour tous sauf pour Arbor un P/W/We/We = un Pied White Eyed
Pour Arbor un Pied White Eyed = P/W/We
Que pensez vous de ces commentaires
Merci pour vos reponses !!!
My problem? choose which formula to symbolize a SILVER FOOT

1) Arbor P / W / We / We
2) Garden Peas and other P / W / Wesp / Wesp
3) Dani 12 P / W / We / Wesp !!!!!
4) Jay Louden SP / W / We / We

By cons for all except Arbor P / W / We / We = a Pied White Eyed
Arbor for a Pied White Eyed = P / W / We
What do you think of these comments
Thank you for your answers !!!

 

[AugeredIn]

Jack,

Welcome to the Forums! Your question is which of the four models above describes the Silver Pied genetics. The short answer is that I have yet to find anyone who can definitely say which model is correct based upon breeding. I do, however, have an opinion that I think is fairly well informed and based upon both our breeding and that of other respected breeders.

First of all the model listed as P/W/We/We is easily disproved. Lots of us have Pied White Eye birds that are not silver pied. We also have Pied split White Eye birds that are not silver pied. That means that there is something different that exists that turns a Pied White Eye bird into Silver Pied.

Let me address the SP/W/We/We model next. This model implies that the special Silver Pied mutation is attached to the Pied Gene. I do not believe this is correct for the following reasons:

1. The original Silver Pied birds came from birds that were being bred for White Eye not Pied.
2. Every Silver Pied bird is White Eye. Of course you could say the mutated pied gene needs both White Eye genes to work, but, in my opinion this tells you something.
3. ..And the biggest issue is when you breed two silver pied birds together you get 50% silver pieds, 25% dark Silver Pied and 25% white silver pied. If the mutation were carried on the pied gene, the white birds would not carry any silver pied genetics. This has been proven to be incorrect. And we personally confirmed this year that whites out of silver pieds will produce silver pieds.

So in my opinion this model is incorrect.

The third model I will address is P/W/We/WeSP. I also believe that this exists but is incorrect. As I stated above we have Pied White Eye birds. They are double white eye birds as far as we can tell and from breeding. They have 100% white eyes. They are not silver pied. However, they were bred from a silver pied to non-silver pied. When we breed these birds together we get about 12-15% silver pied birds. That is about what you would expect if these birds were We/WeSP. That means we have P/W/We/WeSP birds and they are not silver pied.

That's of course leaves P/W/WeSP/WeSP. That is what we believe accurately describes silver pied birds.

Of course, I have been wrong before.

 

[Rosa moschata]

I think it's ironic that so much attention is paid to Silver Pied birds. We have White peafowl, but they're "too easy". We have non-White peafowl in an assortment of colors, with or without Black Shoulder, but they're also "too easy". Let's aim for a mostly white bird with the faintest of random dusting of some other color. And nevermind that the birds are mostly white, and an IB Silver Pied looks almost the same as a Purple Silver Pied -- let's breed them in every possible body color, even if it takes four generations to do so from scratch.

Meh.....

:-/

 

[Dany12]

Augeredin said : " Lots of us have Pied White Eye birds that are not silver pied "

.... I just want to see a picture of a bird like that !
Female it's OK : http://i59.servimg.com/u/f59/14/58/40/28/image41.jpg
Male .... impossible to find ! : https://scontent-b-fra.xx.fbcdn.net...=8ebb289a86ab1f68a355903b03c41064&oe=550DC39C
He has some pied feathers who are not white eyes feathers !

 

[zazouse]

I think it's ironic that so much attention is paid to Silver Pied birds. We have White peafowl, but they're "too easy". We have non-White peafowl in an assortment of colors, with or without Black Shoulder, but they're also "too easy". Let's aim for a mostly white bird with the faintest of random dusting of some other color. And nevermind that the birds are mostly white, and an IB Silver Pied looks almost the same as a Purple Silver Pied -- let's breed them in every possible body color, even if it takes four generations to do so from scratch.

Meh.....

:-/

Yep
Good to see you here

 

[AugeredIn]

Augeredin said : " Lots of us have Pied White Eye birds that are not silver pied "

.... I just want to see a picture of a bird like that !
Female it's OK : http://i59.servimg.com/u/f59/14/58/40/28/image41.jpg
Male .... impossible to find ! : https://scontent-b-fra.xx.fbcdn.net...=8ebb289a86ab1f68a355903b03c41064&oe=550DC39C
He has some pied feathers who are not white eyes feathers !

Here you go. Cameo Pied White Eye. P/W/We/We.

 

[AugeredIn]

I think it's ironic that so much attention is paid to Silver Pied birds. We have White peafowl, but they're "too easy". We have non-White peafowl in an assortment of colors, with or without Black Shoulder, but they're also "too easy". Let's aim for a mostly white bird with the faintest of random dusting of some other color. And nevermind that the birds are mostly white, and an IB Silver Pied looks almost the same as a Purple Silver Pied -- let's breed them in every possible body color, even if it takes four generations to do so from scratch.

Meh.....

:-/

It would be a boring world if we all agreed!

 

[Garden Peas]

I think it's ironic that so much attention is paid to Silver Pied birds. We have White peafowl, but they're "too easy". We have non-White peafowl in an assortment of colors, with or without Black Shoulder, but they're also "too easy". Let's aim for a mostly white bird with the faintest of random dusting of some other color. And nevermind that the birds are mostly white, and an IB Silver Pied looks almost the same as a Purple Silver Pied -- let's breed them in every possible body color, even if it takes four generations to do so from scratch.

Meh.....

:-/

I LOVE

my silver pied birds... they are gorgeous. There are many beautiful birds, but I find these particularly attractive. It is not about easy or hard, it is about what we find visually pleasing as well as of course, healthy. Some people enjoy the fact that pied birds are more easily distinguished, one from the other, which assists the owner in forming a strong bond with the bird. It is confusing to some folks if all their birds look alike. And why not breed for different colors, if one enjoys that?

What kinds of peas do you have?

 

[Jack07]

Tableau croisement SILVER PIED x PIED WHITE EYED
crossing inadvisable ???

 

[Rosa moschata]

I LOVE

my silver pied birds... they are gorgeous. There are many beautiful birds, but I find these particularly attractive. It is not about easy or hard, it is about what we find visually pleasing as well as of course, healthy. Some people enjoy the fact that pied birds are more easily distinguished, one from the other, which assists the owner in forming a strong bond with the bird. It is confusing to some folks if all their birds look alike. And why not breed for different colors, if one enjoys that?

What kinds of peas do you have?

Oh, it's certainly a case of "to each his/her own". Personally, I prefer symmetry. No peas now, since I live in the suburbs, but someday.....