Sitting with a cup of coffee. (coffee lovers)

[campingshaws]

I actually have some stacked right now, because I have a HATCHER and a separate INCUBATOR... and I don't want my incubating eggs in with the high hatching humidity.

Actually, VERY frustrating....  I decided to use an app for this set of hatching... and the app lied to me, and me a TOTAL idiot did NOT double check the calculations of the app.

SO upsetting...

anyway, the result is that I believed the lying app (and yes, it was set to regular jumbo quail, and yes, it SAID that it was using the number of days it should have been using... but maybe it doesn't know how many days are in February?  I dunno)

so.. the short of it is that I took my quail eggs and put them in the hatcher, and stacked eggs into my incubator so that all eggs would be happy ...

and the quail eggs were put into the hatcher three full days early....  three full days too soon no rotation, and three days way too soon super high humidity. 

When they didn't hatch when they should have (and quail have always popped out for me) I counted... and realized that the day the app said they were hatching was the day they should have been put into the hatcher....


So... following TRUE calculations, they should have hatched today.... but they haven't, 2 have pipped but not zipped, I poked at them a bit (after waiting over 14 hours, which is like 2 days in quail time) and they still have blood vessels... so I put them back in the incubator...  one more has a tiny pip, but nothing else.

I just don't understand what is going on...  if they are all in the wrong position since the rotation was stopped too soon...  or the high humidity too early made them too fat to move about...

I just don't know...


and to make it worse, these blasted quail are spoken for....  I am selling them to someone......


And the two that I looked at...  I don't know why they aren't trying to get out.... they aren't glued in looking... and those blood vessels are still full of blood.... 

No quail sits that long in an egg without getting out..... or just dieing.....   

I put in double the number of quail eggs that I needed for chicks for this order....  and WAY too many were infertile... I guess because of the cold ..  so then I was left with only 14 eggs and the order was for 12 chicks....

anyway...  the person is local, so not the end of the world to have to incubate another quail batch for them...

but I am such a softy, I don't like killing a bunch of quail chicks right at hatch...  and that is what it looks like is happening.

I am in the EXACT SAME SITUATION with chicken eggs. I used the app and it was off by a day, but my temps were off. Day 23 and two hatched, two died, and 11 eggs are still in there sitting. Thing is, only my mixed breed chicks are hatching. So all the people who were lined up for the sussex chicks are just going to be sad.

 

[perchie.girl]

Beautiful chick photos - and Deb I loved the horses/maple syrup video

LOL... I used to belong to a group on line that mostly only had draft horses and or carriage horses. One woman lived in Vermont and she shared pictures of her clydesdale team coming in from their maple forest... Yep they were in the maple syrup business.... Their video was on YouTube but I couldnt find it... This one was almost as good. Glad you liked it.

deb

 

[Americano Blue]

I'm low on coffee money.....HOW WILL I SURVIVE?!?!?!? I know I will ask my friends!

 

[Puddin Fluff]

@Teachick

I wish I was closer!!!  I'd be willing to take any of them, especially pullets.  I had a Buttercup in my rare breeds assortment, but it's the one that didn't make it.  I don't suppose she'd be willing to ship, would she?  The chickens are probably too old for that anyway, aren't they?  Or are they?

Yeah, that's great her boss is letting her do that.
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She has shipped before but I think they have put a quarantine on cross state shipments right now. What state are you in?

 

[Puddin Fluff]

Alaskan and campingshaws,

Sorry for your hatch troubles.

 

[chickadoodles]

Welcome Java Jones cute chicks.
Welcome Campinshaws and so sorry for your hatching loss.

Alaskan I am so sorry your app lied to you

that is terrible.

 

[chickisoup]

Correction to 2nd paragraph: USDA Confirms Highly Pathogenic H5N2 Avian Influenza in Backyard Flock in Kansas

USDA Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service sent this bulletin at 03/13/2015 10:23 PM EDT

USDA Confirms Highly Pathogenic H5N2 Avian Influenza in Backyard Flock in Kansas
CDC considers the risk to people from these HPAI H5 infections in wild birds, backyard flocks and commercial poultry, to be low.
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WASHINGTON, March 13, 2015 -- The United States Department of Agriculture’s (USDA) Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service (APHIS) has confirmed the presence of highly pathogenic H5N2 avian influenza (HPAI) in a backyard chicken and duck flock in Leavenworth County, Kansas. This is the first finding of HPAI in the Central flyway. CDC considers the risk to people from these HPAI H5 infections in wild birds, backyard flocks and commercial poultry, to be low. No human infections with the virus have been detected at this time.
Samples from the flock, which experienced increased mortality, were tested at the APHIS National Veterinary Services Laboratories in Ames, Iowa. APHIS is working closely with the Kansas Department of Agriculture to respond to the finding. State officials quarantined the affected premises and birds on the property will be depopulated to prevent the spread of the disease.
As a reminder, the proper handling and cooking of poultry and eggs to an internal temperature of 165 ˚F kills bacteria and viruses.
As part of existing avian influenza response plans, Federal and State partners are working jointly on additional surveillance and testing in the nearby area. The United States has the strongest AI surveillance program in the world, and USDA is working with its partners to actively look for the disease in commercial poultry operations, live bird markets and in migratory wild bird populations.
USDA will be informing the World Organization for Animal Health (OIE) as well as international trading partners of this finding. USDA also continues to communicate with trading partners to encourage adherence to OIE standards and minimize trade impacts. OIE trade guidelines call on countries to base trade restrictions on sound science and, whenever possible, limit restrictions to those animals and animal products within a defined region that pose a risk of spreading disease of concern.
These virus strains can travel in wild birds without them appearing sick. People should avoid contact with sick/dead poultry or wildlife. If contact occurs, wash your hands with soap and water and change clothing before having any contact with healthy domestic poultry and birds.
All bird owners, whether commercial producers or backyard enthusiasts, should continue to practice good biosecurity, prevent contact between their birds and wild birds, and report sick birds or unusual bird deaths to State/Federal officials, either through their state veterinarian or through USDA’s toll-free number at 1-866-536-7593. Additional information on biosecurity for backyard flocks can be found athttp://healthybirds.aphis.usda.gov.

Additional background
Avian influenza (AI) is caused by an influenza type A virus which can infect poultry (such as chickens, turkeys, pheasants, quail, domestic ducks, geese and guinea fowl) and is carried by free flying waterfowl such as ducks, geese and shorebirds. AI viruses are classified by a combination of two groups of proteins: hemagglutinin or “H” proteins, of which there are 16 (H1–H16), and neuraminidase or “N” proteins, of which there are 9 (N1–N9). Many different combinations of “H” and “N” proteins are possible. Each combination is considered a different subtype, and can be further broken down into different strains. AI viruses are further classified by their pathogenicity (low or high)— the ability of a particular virus strain to produce disease in domestic chickens.
The HPAI H5N8 virus originated in Asia and spread rapidly along wild bird migratory pathways during 2014, including the Pacific flyway. In the Pacific flyway, the HPAI H5N8 virus has mixed with North American avian influenza viruses, creating new mixed-origin viruses. These mixed-origin viruses contain the Asian-origin H5 part of the virus, which is highly pathogenic to poultry. The N parts of these viruses came from North American low pathogenic avian influenza viruses.
USDA has identified two mixed-origin viruses in the Pacific Flyway: the HPAI H5N2 virus and new HPAI H5N1 virus. The new HPAI H5N1 virus is not the same virus as the HPAI H5N1 virus found in Asia, Europe and Africa that has caused some human illness. Only the HPAI H5N2 virus has been detected in the Pacific, Mississippi and Central Flyways.
Detailed analysis of the virus is underway in cooperation with the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. None of these viruses have been identified in humans, nor are expected to pose a public health risk. For more information about the ongoing avian influenza disease incident visit the APHIS website. More information about avian influenza can be found on the USDA avian influenza.

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[Puddin Fluff]

By The Associated Press Mar 11, 2015, 12:49 PM
LITTLE ROCK, Ark. — Arkansas poultry officials say a strain of avian flu has been detected in a commercial turkey flock in the northern part of the state and that the sick birds are being destroyed.

The Arkansas Livestock and Poultry Commission said Wednesday it was following federal protocols to ensure the affected birds did not enter the food supply. Tests will also be conducted to make sure the disease hasn't spread.

The virus is not known to cause disease in humans.

The agency said it was notified of a potential infection on Sunday and that test results by the National Veterinary Services Lab confirmed the presence of the H5N2 flu.

Missouri agriculture officials said this week that avian flu had been found on two turkey farms in that state.

It is on the move.

 

[JerseyHen]

Just joining this thread, while having my morning coffee of course... it figures that AI hits the states the year I expand into ornamental pheasant, quail, partridge, and ducks. I guess I should have waited another year...

 

[chickisoup]

Hi JerseyHen! Welcome to our little flock

yep, as you probably already know it first showed up in BC Canada, then Washington state. Just recently wiped out a commercial turkey operation in Minnesota (aka now in the Mississippi flyway), then a commercial operation in Missouri and the spread continues. So far no appearance that I know of in the Eastern flyway. The above is the first report of it hitting a backyard flock. I think I would take note of the first "report". I wouldn't be surprised there are at least a few that haven't been reported for a number of reasons.