Sneezing and Wheezing cockerel *Video

[Ruralhideaway]

I'm taking the sample from him in, should I gather some more from other birds also do you think? His looked normal, but I could lurk to find some fresh weird ones. Definitely getting that checked before de worming.

I'll ask if we can do the gram stain also, would be nice to know what is really going on.

Sometimes for meds she also needs a small quantity of she'll split a container with me for cost if I go pick it up at her place. She's not an average commercial type vet, unless its just long association. Either way I'll get the Denagard from somewhere. And maybe valbazen? Seems the dewormer of choice from what I've read here.

Thank you again for the help I really hate to hear any creature breathe badly. Looking forward to some fix for him.

 

[Ravynscroft]

Oh, that's a great deal with your vet!

Yes, I would see about collecting other poops... those you can actually put in a baggie and stir them together real well, then have it tested... if one has worms, safe bet is they all do...

Valbazen is a good dewormer, but so is Safeguard... myself, I have bad gapeworm here... so I deworm regularly... I use both, just switch off which one I use every other time... it helps to keep worms from building a resistance to one or the other... Equimax horse dewormer is another, but that one I would save for the worst types of worms like tapeworms... it's praziquantinel...

Btw, Ivermectin alone is *not* a sufficient dewormer... but the pour on or injectable is good for external parasites like lice or mites...

Good luck and please keep us updated!

 

[Ruralhideaway]

Thanks, yup I try to pay attention and saw that ivermectin isn't good for chickens. I just always have a few tubes around.

If nothing too exotic in the fecal seems safeguard is enough then if I understand right.

 

[Ruralhideaway]

I'll update presently, busy day here!

 

[aart]

Valbazen is a good dewormer, but so is Safeguard... myself, I have bad gapeworm here... so I deworm regularly... I use both, just switch off which one I use every other time... it helps to keep worms from building a resistance to one or the other... Equimax horse dewormer is another, but that one I would save for the worst types of worms like tapeworms... it's praziquantinel...

What kind of egg and/or meat withdrawals do you use?

 

[Ruralhideaway]

So she consulted with Cornell and they recommended Tylan injections and ivermectin as a spot on for him. Then wait on the results for the rest of the flock. She recommended adding the tetracycline powder to their water also to cover anyone about to get sick.

I was surprised by some of this but it seems Cornell should know?
ETA: She thinks they had coccidiosis. I can't find any really yellow poop now. I added Duravet vitamins at half dose to their water this morning. Can I add the tetracycline to that do you think?

 

[Ravynscroft]

What kind of egg and/or meat withdrawals do you use?

For Valbazen? Or all? What I recommend or do personally?

Safeguard is 17 days, Ivermectin is 8 weeks and I recommend 21 days for Valbazen, all from last given dose...

Most dewormers are 2-4 weeks, 3 weeks for Valbazen is what I came to a conclusion is a good timeframe, after much long discussion with others who deworm and who consulted with vets for their input as well...

Valbazen isn't approved, but it isn't banned either... vets will prescribe it as well... if we wait for approval, we will be waiting forever, it's just not cost effective for the commercial industry to even try to find out that info for certainty since commercial birds are housed in controlled environments and have a much shorter use life than any BYCer expects from their own flocks...

I also try to make my recommendations depending on what an OP prefers and/or how their flock is seen by them... ones with strict food source flocks may not want to deworm, while ones with pet flocks or breeder flocks may...

Personally, I really don't worry about it in my own flocks... my Call ducks are pets/breeders and my chickens are breeding flocks... eggs are usually hatched or sold as hatching eggs (during withdrawal times I will only hatch them myself though)... I do not sell eggs, we eat them occasionally, as do a few family members and friends... we don't worry about trace amounts of dewormer ourselves and the others are fully informed as well, though we do still wait for their eggs... I probably end up with more dewormer in my own system deworming them than I ever get from any eggs, hasn't affected me that I have seen, lol...

Oops, sorry for the long post... just realized how long it was...

 

[Ravynscroft]

So she consulted with Cornell and they recommended Tylan injections and ivermectin as a spot on for him. Then wait on the results for the rest of the flock. She recommended adding the tetracycline powder to their water also to cover anyone about to get sick.

I was surprised by some of this but it seems Cornell should know?
ETA: She thinks they had coccidiosis. I can't find any really yellow poop now. I added Duravet vitamins at half dose to their water this morning. Can I add the tetracycline to that do you think?

Wait, those meds for cocci? That doesn't make sense to me... only a sulfa type antibiotic of any antibiotics works for cocci, as far as I know...

Corid also only works for *some* strains of cocci, Toltrazuril works for all cocci strains... but again, it is not approved for poultry use...

Do not give vitamins during a cocci treatment period, only afterwards... cocci thrive on thiamin, giving vitamins just gives them more to feed and thrive off of...

I am also not impressed with their advice of just sticking them on those antibiotics, or that many...

Let's see if I can get Kathy to chime in on all this... @casportpony

 

[Ruralhideaway]

They actually just finished corid treatment. It's in the original post here but I talked lots sorry.

Those antibiotics for the upper respiratory thing he's got. I agree, surprising, but she talked to the bird people at Cornell. She speaks there often so has ties.

 

[Ravynscroft]

But it isn't certain it is upper respiratory though, correct? Just fyi, some worm overloads will look exactly like respiratory distress, but without discharge, etc...

If they have cocci and Corid didn't work, then it is most likely a cocci that Corid doesn't cover, what dosage and for how long did you treat? Some of the info out there is incorrect for it...

I know you said she discusses things with them, but that she also doesn't usually deal with poultry... just wondering if they're taking shots in the dark right now...