hobble brace like this page UPA article (http://www.peafowl.org/ARTICLES/1/) Here is a pic of one of my chicks with splay leg, the chick cant stand on feet by itself, it kind of hobbles around on its "knees" or that joint. when you handle check and look at legs evertything seems to be in the right spot, and when you stand the chick up, and kind of hold his/her legs together the chick can stand but then wobbles and drops down to knees again. see how leg is way off to the side. I cant make a hobble brace to save my life, well I can make it but I cant seem to get it on the bird in any condition that looks like it will do any good. I think its just my lack of skill to get it on. I read an article or forum post that the lady talked about placing the chick in a long narrow box. in 2008 I had a chick that I had worked on for days, trying to get his legs in a normal position, bad hobble brace after bad brace, I had defeated....... so I thought I would try the silly looking box, as a last resort. This is a pic of a peachick that I put in the box this year that had splay leg, it couldnt stand and was waddling around on his knees. Its a pizza box, cut, widened at the top to accomadate a wider than expected peachick, taped on each outside end. I put shelf liner in the bottom because he seemed to be slipping a bit too much. This is a pic of the first box I made, it was a little too short, so i made one a little taller that the bird could barely see out of if he had stretched his neck out here is a pic of the same peachick after several treatments in the box, of about 2 hours each. I did put a bit of food in the box. and made sure he could get to heat if he got cold, but by walking to the hot end of the box. Each time right out of the box the chick stands well, then slowly starts to splay again, so more treatment in a few hours, or the next day. But here is a question, How long do you let the chick waddle around before you go,, OK, I have to act now and work on him? How long do you wait for toes to spread out, or straighten? I had one chick, that was way overdue out of his egg, and I had to help him,, I know we not suppose to but I had just lost his hatchmate after 3 days of being pipped, He came out with feet curled up, splay the whole 9 yards. I went to work first on his feet - spreading out his toes from clenched fists, then narrow box time, now he is running around being just fine. But, How long do you wait?