SOOOO mad at our school district....

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If that was true we would have a totally non functioning society. Agreed that a percentage of our children in public schools do poorly. I'm sure that some homeschooled kids in a smaller percentage also do poorly.

I could introduce you to my kids. Or both of my sisters kids, or any number of other kids I have personally met that were public schooled and do quite well. How a child does in school has a lot more to do with parents and their home environment than it does the school.


It's too bad this thread is degenerating into the old self righteous argument about home schooling. In my opinion, most people home school so they can indoctrinate their kids without any real world issues figuring in. It also makes it easier to keep your kids on the straight and narrow. Unfortunately, real world experience is a necessary evil in my opinion. The very narrow segment of life and different people that home schooled kids are exposed to keeps them very sheltered.

Sir, I don't know where you have been, these last few years, but today's education system, from K-college, is one huge government indoctrination system, so, I guess you choose your poison.


The public school system doesn't always live up to our expectations. It's part of why this country is great though. The only people who's opinions have any weight are those that have been involved in the system. Those that listen to politicians blather on about how we're wasting money on our education system are fools. IMO of course.
Haven't we all been involved in the public school system? Why should a teacher, who's only desire is to get on the secure side of the tenure system, care about anything, beyond reaching their desired goal? Very few people have the moral capability to police themselves and do the right thing, when it's so much easier just to go along, to get along.



We need a lot more money directed towards our education. We rank near the end of the list in civilized countries for our education. They need to put more money towards education, but spend it where it's needed, instead of just throwing it at the system and letting them waste millions on an astro turf football field. The current system of property taxes paying for the schools doesn't work. All the wealthy districts have all the best schools and equipment, while the poorer districts have trash. Just another reason for the huge difference between the wealthy and the poor. The better your education the better you make out in this country.

Sadly, all that the powers that be, know how to do, is to throw money at a problem.....I was thinking about this, last night....Government's job should be to eliminate itself from peoples' lives, by being effecient. Instead, it becomes a huge, plodding machine, which will, eventually, get stuck in the mudhole of its own making, and completely grind to a halt.

Public sector unions retirement packages, local, state and federal, are completely unfunded, and you can only rob the private sector for so long.

Royd. We actually agree on something. I agree that public schooling is inefficient. They could probably do better by privatizing. As always though the less fortunate will get the short end of the stick. Private school systems that serve wealthy people will offer an excellent education. Most of the best teachers will work there. Even though a good teachers primary objective is to teach children, they have to make a living too. There just aren't that many Sidney Poitier type guys around. So poor people will get the basic amount from the govt to spend for schooling and the wealthy kids will be able to afford to supplement the basic and get an excellent education. Home schooling is not a viable alternative for 99.9 percent of the population.


The poor schools though privately run will resemble the slums that pass for housing and are subsidized by the govt. Just another way to separate the unwashed masses from the more fortunate.

People will stand in line, for months, to get into this cheap housing, because they believe that they are entitled, rather than looking around and saying to themselves,"You know, I can do better than this."
 
Muggsmagee, rather than hijack this thread and create one about the pros and cons of homeschooling, I won't answer your post in detail. I will say that my grandson played LL baseball, has been active in music through the local college and is now an accomplished cellist. During the time he was homeschooled his parents regularly met with parents that were also homeschooling for social events. He also tested beyond HS at a 6th grader in language skills. As a 7th grader he had a better grasp of calculus than most of my senior math students ever did--but then his parents both have degrees in mathematics. On the other hand there were certain social classes of children he could not relate to and was, as a result, becoming a snob. Once he got into public school this changed and he has become a better more understanding person as a result.

As far as corruption of NYS unions--that is too broad a brush. I was chief negotiator and compliance rep for the local teachers' association shortly after the Taylor Law became effective. As such I worked closely with reps from NEA-NY and found most were interested in nothing more than setting the proper precedents for their members under the law. Are there corrupt union members? Yes. But I've also known a lot of school administrators and Board of Education members who were less interested in the children's education and more interested in what they could get from companies supplying schools. So corruption can appear where ever you care to look for it.
 
The State Board of Education here in Texas is all about textbooks and textbook content. Most board members don't seem to have the best interest of students on their radar; what concerned with is getting textbooks to reflect a political agenda. It also becomes a political jumping off point.
 
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You're being presumptive if you think I have no experience. I don't have to prove my credentials to anyone.


I was responding to a generalization about public school education. You will also note I used the word MOST when talking about home schooled children. Ask the home schoolers on here how many of them home school their kids to shield them from the bad stuff at the public school. If they answer honestly, they will say that was their primary reason with convenience and quality as secondary considerations, or they will tell you that their child had problems socializing and did better at home. All those reasons are legitimate but by no means make public schooling bad.

Yes the public school system has been around for a long time. It helped create the America that used to be the world leader. Then it started getting massive cuts to spending. A college education produces around a 30 percent higher average pay than a high school education, That figure will continue to increase. Choosing a field is very important. A lot of people spend years in college getting a degree that is useless. That's not the systems fault. It's bad planning on the students part. If you're getting a degree just for personal satisfaction then choose any field you want. If you want to earn money choose a field that will do that for you. You can't denigrate the whole system because some people can't get a job in the field they chose.

You seem to only be filled with generalizations. My husband has numerous degrees in fields where jobs are available in urban/metropolitan settings...he's decided to pass and live a simpler life in a rural setting. It doesn't mean he's not utilizing them, he is, just not directly. Your comment was "The better your education the better you make out in this country". Not true. Just look at the man who invented the "wee-wee" pads for dogs. He never graduated high school, yet is a multi-multi-millionaire. You get out of life what you put into it. It could come back as monetary gain or pure friendship. Also, most times it takes money to make money. So if you come from money, that's where you get a leg up.

If you have a problem with homeschooling based solely on your children and your sister's kids being a part of a public system, then you really have no valuable input at all. You just have a biased opinion.

The public school system has SQUAT to do with creating the US as a world leader. It was from the backs of men and women who wanted a better life for themselves and their fellow countrymen.

Ask the home schoolers on here how many of them home school their kids to shield them from the bad stuff at the public school. And by "bad stuff" do you mean bullying and violence? Again, I would never fault a family for homeschooling by providing a safe, nurturing, cultured, and informative environment.

People that speak to walls are crazy. So I'll stop addressing you. Thanks for your input though.
 
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The State Board of Education here in Texas is all about textbooks and textbook content. Most board members don't seem to have the best interest of students on their radar; what concerned with is getting textbooks to reflect a political agenda. It also becomes a political jumping off point.

I've heard about their text book problems. It's too bad.​
 
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"On the other hand there were certain social classes of children he could not relate to and was, as a result becoming a snob " I know this wasn't your intention...but it made me laugh. So thanks.
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As for your second paragraph...fair enough. It is just what we've repeatedly been dealt with in our area and I should have not encompassed the entire state for what runs rampant in our experience.

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You seem to only be filled with generalizations. My husband has numerous degrees in fields where jobs are available in urban/metropolitan settings...he's decided to pass and live a simpler life in a rural setting. It doesn't mean he's not utilizing them, he is, just not directly. Your comment was "The better your education the better you make out in this country". Not true. Just look at the man who invented the "wee-wee" pads for dogs. He never graduated high school, yet is a multi-multi-millionaire. You get out of life what you put into it. It could come back as monetary gain or pure friendship. Also, most times it takes money to make money. So if you come from money, that's where you get a leg up.

If you have a problem with homeschooling based solely on your children and your sister's kids being a part of a public system, then you really have no valuable input at all. You just have a biased opinion.

The public school system has SQUAT to do with creating the US as a world leader. It was from the backs of men and women who wanted a better life for themselves and their fellow countrymen.

Ask the home schoolers on here how many of them home school their kids to shield them from the bad stuff at the public school. And by "bad stuff" do you mean bullying and violence? Again, I would never fault a family for homeschooling by providing a safe, nurturing, cultured, and informative environment.

People that speak to walls are crazy. So I'll stop addressing you. Thanks for your input though.

Dunkopf you've been nothing but rude and opinionated. You should just stop posting.
 
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People that speak to walls are crazy. So I'll stop addressing you. Thanks for your input though.

Dunkopf you've been nothing but rude and opinionated. You should just stop posting.

If you want to be rude, do it in a PM please. I was referring to myself as being crazy because the poster I was replying to was saying the same thing repeatedly instead of addressing my input. The post was not rude.
 
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Dunkopf you've been nothing but rude and opinionated. You should just stop posting.

If you want to be rude, do it in a PM please. I was referring to myself as being crazy because the poster I was replying to was saying the same thing repeatedly instead of addressing my input. The post was not rude.

I've read through this entire thread, and Muggsmagee addressed what they felt should be addressed. I have no issue with it. You have needlessly hijacked this thread, and that last post was most definitely targeted and rude.
 
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