Spot’s Coturnix quail colour experiments

[FloorCandy]

He is really pretty, is he one of the double silvers? Or do you have any ideas of what he is?

He is from a snowie male crossed to scarlet and Tibetan hens. Definitely only got silver on one side. I believe he is silver, roux, and fee, with one copy of fawn (Italian). I have several double silvers now, and they are all pure white. I have one that I thought was double silver, but it ended up growing in light rust colored speckles.

I have another bird, I’m honestly not sure where she falls in the mix genetically, she can see and is healthy, but was showing all the classic signs of being double silver at hatch, small, sparse down, slow to grow and feather etc. She is a result of a double silver crossed to a silver, and her speckles are just like her moms, but she was born all yellow, a faker. She’s still incredibly small, hasn’t laid yet, and is about 9 weeks old. There is definitely something sex linked going on with my double silvers, the males overall are healthier than the females, I haven’t had a healthy female yet, I had one that was ok but had dips of struggling as it aged. The ones I have growing out seem like an over all healthy group at different stages of growth, the oldest is healthy so far, and a female, my fingers are crossed she stays that way.

 

[FloorCandy]

https://www.researchgate.net/public...tations_on_the_Z_chromosome_of_Japanese_quail
Going by the pictures in this I have a lot of browns. I am wondering if you can tell the difference more easily with the chick down then the adult feathers

That article disappointed me, it talked about cinnamon and imperfect albinism in the extract, but didn’t mention it in the main text. It seems they might consider pied to be imperfect albinism, because in one spot it put (white bib) next to it. My double silvers seem to have some sort of sex linked element going on and I hoped it would shed light on that, but I guess they just used cinnamon and imperfect albinism as place holders for birds carrying roux and brown without expressing it?

 

[SpotTheCat]

That article disappointed me, it talked about cinnamon and imperfect albinism in the extract, but didn’t mention it in the main text. It seems they might consider pied to be imperfect albinism, because in one spot it put (white bib) next to it. My double silvers seem to have some sort of sex linked element going on and I hoped it would shed light on that, but I guess they just used cinnamon and imperfect albinism as place holders for birds carrying roux and brown without expressing it?

It looks like they where trying to figure out the linkage between Imperfect albinism and Roux, and imperfect albinism and brown

 

[SpotTheCat]

That article disappointed me, it talked about cinnamon and imperfect albinism in the extract, but didn’t mention it in the main text. It seems they might consider pied to be imperfect albinism, because in one spot it put (white bib) next to it. My double silvers seem to have some sort of sex linked element going on and I hoped it would shed light on that, but I guess they just used cinnamon and imperfect albinism as place holders for birds carrying roux and brown without expressing it?

Could it be something wrong with the female reproductive tract? Or something like that

 

[FloorCandy]

Could it be something wrong with the female reproductive tract? Or something like that

My first hen was fine until a few weeks old, and she started stumbling and was eventually unable to stand and just laid and flailed her legs to try to get up. I started her on various vitamin supplements, e & b and nutridrench, and she could stand again after a few days and could stumble around but was often shuffling with her head down on the ground like a wheelbarrow. I changed the feed and in a few days she was walking normally, a bit wobbly still but ok. I was eventually able to stop the supplements completely and she did well, always a bit wobbly, and only laid every few days. She eventually chipped her beak on the side somehow, and it just kept getting gunked up and cracking a bit more and more, and I eventually culled her. I have 2 hens now that are doing ok, they have never had or needed supplements, but they do wobble a bit. However, I’m wondering if that’s just due to being top heavy. The double silvers all have thin legs and the hens are very big in the chest, so they might just be awkwardly shaped. The young ones haven’t started laying yet, so I don’t know what the laying schedule will be. In other older articles in journals that mentioned partial albinos like mine (white, weaker feathers, small heart, thin legs etc) they said laying was not affected, so perhaps mine had issues apart from the double silver, the original snowie group that I received from shipped eggs had a lot of health problems, many needed to be culled, several were blind, and those eggs gave me the first 3 double silvers, but I think there were about 3-4 more that died right after hatch. So perhaps she had issues stemming from parent bird nutrition or something else. In the second week I was still having to cull some that spontaneously slipped tendons, and I’ve never had any before or since with that issue.

 

[MadamContrary]

All very interesting and confusing. I have a female with very few spots on her chest and it is a bit rusty coloured I am wondering what could be causing it? Maybe the brown gene?

I have 3 "jumbo browns" that I thought were males because of the rusty and cream with just a bit of spotting towards the top. I've been trying to figure out the cause as well, someone smarter than me said it was a specific line of birds but I can't find anymore information. I'm trying to join the quail colors and genetics group on FB but, I haven't been let in yet

 

[SpotTheCat]

My first hen was fine until a few weeks old, and she started stumbling and was eventually unable to stand and just laid and flailed her legs to try to get up. I started her on various vitamin supplements, e & b and nutridrench, and she could stand again after a few days and could stumble around but was often shuffling with her head down on the ground like a wheelbarrow. I changed the feed and in a few days she was walking normally, a bit wobbly still but ok. I was eventually able to stop the supplements completely and she did well, always a bit wobbly, and only laid every few days. She eventually chipped her beak on the side somehow, and it just kept getting gunked up and cracking a bit more and more, and I eventually culled her. I have 2 hens now that are doing ok, they have never had or needed supplements, but they do wobble a bit. However, I’m wondering if that’s just due to being top heavy. The double silvers all have thin legs and the hens are very big in the chest, so they might just be awkwardly shaped. The young ones haven’t started laying yet, so I don’t know what the laying schedule will be. In other older articles in journals that mentioned partial albinos like mine (white, weaker feathers, small heart, thin legs etc) they said laying was not affected, so perhaps mine had issues apart from the double silver, the original snowie group that I received from shipped eggs had a lot of health problems, many needed to be culled, several were blind, and those eggs gave me the first 3 double silvers, but I think there were about 3-4 more that died right after hatch. So perhaps she had issues stemming from parent bird nutrition or something else. In the second week I was still having to cull some that spontaneously slipped tendons, and I’ve never had any before or since with that issue.

I am very interested in hearing updates on this, if you don’t mind.

I am having a few health problems in my quail. One pair I have who maybe siblings keep throwing quail with feet that are kinked on to their side, not all of their offspring have this problem but a lot of them do (they aren’t related to any of my silvers). Now I have one that hatched with a kinked neck and one that slowly got a kinked neck (they maybe related to the silvers), I am worried it is a lack of something in the food but I don’t have another option for food

 

[FloorCandy]

I am very interested in hearing updates on this, if you don’t mind.

I am having a few health problems in my quail. One pair I have who maybe siblings keep throwing quail with feet that are kinked on to their side, not all of their offspring have this problem but a lot of them do (they aren’t related to any of my silvers). Now I have one that hatched with a kinked neck and one that slowly got a kinked neck (they maybe related to the silvers), I am worried it is a lack of something in the food but I don’t have another option for food

The feed I use for my indoor birds is called Hudson feed gamebird pellets. I order it thru chewy.com. I initially used it for all my birds, but found local feed for much less. The poop produced on the local feed is far smellier, so I changed my double silvers back to Hudson because the other was too smelly inside, and it coincidentally has whatever my female was lacking that made her unable to stand.

The eggs I had ordered hatched several chicks I culled right away that had bent long leg bones. Someone I know that’s in vet school said that is a classic sign of poor nutrition in the parent stock. I have not had any more born that way, and I culled all the bent leg ones, so I can’t say whether it would have been passed on, of 60 shipped eggs, 39 hatched, I ended up with only 8 of what I ordered, I sold 12 that were not the color I ordered, and I have 3 double silvers, so only 23 of 39 of 60 were healthy. Crossing those 8 to my existing flock has produced strong healthy chicks, then those chicks back to my flock produced Apollo, and several other very pale colored birds. I have a lot of scarlets so I’m guess fee may compound on scarlet across generations somehow. I’ve seen pedigrees of dogs that got lighter every generation that blue fawn was back bred, so I’m thinking it’s similar.

 

[SpotTheCat]

Lethal white (I think called SCC also) not 100% sure if that is what they are
batch 2, bought from ebay
Chick 1
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2
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3
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Chick 3
Grey one in the back

A bit older then the first picture

About a year old

 

[SpotTheCat]

I thought he was chick 1 or 2 but now I am not sure if he is
Young

year old