Standard rule of breeding. The female should always be listed first in a cross! ...then no need to s

[Toddrick]

The chicken color calculators that I have used are listing males first.

Since we are basically talking about language, regardless of science jargon, common usage dictates proper usage IMO. Male first is just more intuitive, so I will continue to do it that way. I'll just make sure to specify that the male is first for the science "nerds" .

 

[Pyxis]

I've always said the male first, and that's the only way I've ever seen it. In fact you usually see breeders saying that they have a such and such rooster "over" such and such hens. So that would be like, "These eggs come from a Rhode Island Red over barred rocks." You wouldn't say you have the hens over the rooster, because, well, you don't. Literally the rooster is over the hens during mating.

I also disagree that it's easier to know the female parent than the male - maybe in dogs and horses, because you see them get pregnant and give birth and then raise the young. Not so with chickens. I have a breeding pen of cemanis with one rooster, and I darn sure know he's the father of any chicks I hatch. I have no clue which hen the egg came from, and no clue which hen is the parent, unless I mark the hen's vent. And a hen will hatch any old egg if you let her, she doesn't care or know if it's hers, so you can't even say that the chicks a hen is raising are definitively hers.

 

[minihorse927]

I have bred horses, chickens, and dogs in my life. All horses and dogs have been registered purebred stock. The sire is always the first to be listed in a pedigree. I understand this may be different in the plant world but in all animal worlds I have seen the sire goes first. I list all my poultry the same way if I am crossing breeds. Every chicken site I have seen lists the sire first also when doing color or genetic crosses.

 

[bamadude]

My child support paperwork lists my ex wife first (plantiff) vs. Bamadude (defendant).

 

[minihorse927]

My child support paperwork lists my ex wife first (plantiff) vs. Bamadude (defendant).

I'm pretty sure that's different from chicken breeding...

 

[Michael OShay]

I'm pretty sure that's different from chicken breeding...

LOL! It's apparent that this thread is never going to resolve anything, but it's certainly become interesting reading. )

 

[perchie.girl]

Just a teeny question and I will slip back to lurk dome....

Who keeps Poultry Pedegree's?

deb

 

[hennible]

 

[draye]

Since we are basically talking about language, regardless of science jargon, common usage dictates proper usage IMO. Male first is just more intuitive, so I will continue to do it that way. I'll just make sure to specify that the male is first for the science "nerds" .

Me too.

I have bred horses, chickens, and dogs in my life. All horses and dogs have been registered purebred stock. The sire is always the first to be listed in a pedigree. I understand this may be different in the plant world but in all animal worlds I have seen the sire goes first. I list all my poultry the same way if I am crossing breeds. Every chicken site I have seen lists the sire first also when doing color or genetic crosses.

Most everyone that breeds horse and the like understand that x means out of. A baby of any kind cannot be out if a make. They are by a male.

Just a teeny question and I will slip back to lurk dome....

Who keeps Poultry Pedegree's? 


deb

I do, but it is only for myself. Now though I usually breeding. Groups so I call them by the sure group ex: Salmin group, these would be tge group if hens sired by my Dalmon Naked Neck rooster. Because there were multiple hens in the pen with him I can't always know when hen is tge mom of each chick. Thee are exceptions sometimes you can definitely tell.

As to people being lazy by calling things by their common name. It is not laziness by doing so, I myself was never taught Latin and have no desire to learn Latin, not laziness I feel no need for it, I speak American English and if someone needs to figure out what I'm saying then they can hunt up a translator and figure it out. That's what I do if someone writes in their language on here if I'm really that interested in it.

 

[perchie.girl]

Scientific method.... The reason they use latin and not common names is there are a bizzillian common names.... Latin is read throughout the scientific community... for scientific purposes its important to not confuse one from the other... in minutiae...(the smallest details)

That being said a pedigree is really about the organization of descendants... so you know the "genealogy" behind a horse a dog a what ever.

In all the pedigrees I have read Sire is on top and dam is on bottom.... male top female bottom what ever the animal that has a pedigree.

By so in so out of so in so
male female

I don't really care one way or another I am not a breeder nor will I breed for exhibition... which I am guessing why this discussion.

But I do love the fact that my horse has a Great Great Great Grandsire that was the Man Of War of Percherons. Does that make her breeding quality.... Um no....

deb