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[gooseegg]

I don't get on these forums often. I don't know the lingo. Although, I feel very misunderstood and a bit frustrated at the whole situation. I honestly just want to know if I need to turn, spray or leave the poor egg alone. If I don't spray it is that bad? If I dont turn it is it bad? A underdeveloped egg at 28 days. What do I do? It seems like a simple question. I cant understand why it can't be answered. In the meantime I haven't turned the egg in 1 1/2 days. I have only sprayed it twice. So to me, every hour its just dying because Im not doing something right. So be it I don't know much so I am asking for help. I don't know if what i am doing is right. SUrely someone has been in this situation before.

GOOSEEGG dont stress and just calmly listen to advise

im a newbie too and get loads of differnt info but i go with my gut feeling and do whats right and most times what is right is not set in stone but what you feel needs doing

as for the OP comment

that means ORIGINAL POSTER

its an easier way of saying the person who started the thread

 

[CelticOaksFarm]

i am not answering because you were giving me the details I asked for. its not my job to look for multiple posts started about the same subject. if i ask questions you answered elsewhere, get over it and answer again. maybe i want them all in one place to go over it again. this is so i can give the best answer possible based on very limited info.

Boxer didnt tell you the egg was on day 25, they responded based on the picture YOU posted stating it was an image from day 25.

if you had read the hatching guide yu would have noticed it mentions marking the air cell to look for changes. even the best eyes wont notice the initial changes in an air cell.

3/17 makes today day 32

3/21 makes today day 28

so lets for funs sake say the goose didnt really sit the nest when the egg was first laid on 3/17, and that incubation didnt start until 3/21 when you set it in the incubator. now we will completely forget the 3/17 date from here on out, and not mention or concern ourselves with it.

so based on 3/21 today is day 28 based solely on the calendar.

text book incubation would be to stop turning, stop misting, set the egg on its side with the dip in the aircell facing up away from the bottom of the incubator.

now you are saying the aircell has not grown one bit from day 25. i am sure it has, but very slight.

candle the egg, trace the air cell and place back in the incubator.
do not turn
do not mist
do not touch again today
do not raise the humidity

tomorrow take it out and candle again looking for changes. trace the air cell if it has changed. look for internal pipping.

i think i have a few duck eggs about to hatch, i will candle and see if i can get you some example images to go by.

 

[gooseegg]

Thank you so much. I will do exactly what you say.

i am not answering because you were giving me the details I asked for. its not my job to look for multiple posts started about the same subject. if i ask questions you answered elsewhere, get over it and answer again. maybe i want them all in one place to go over it again. this is so i can give the best answer possible based on very limited info.

Boxer didnt tell you the egg was on day 25, they responded based on the picture YOU posted stating it was an image from day 25.

if you had read the hatching guide yu would have noticed it mentions marking the air cell to look for changes. even the best eyes wont notice the initial changes in an air cell.

3/17 makes today day 32

3/21 makes today day 28

so lets for funs sake say the goose didnt really sit the nest when the egg was first laid on 3/17, and that incubation didnt start until 3/21 when you set it in the incubator. now we will completely forget the 3/17 date from here on out, and not mention or concern ourselves with it.

so based on 3/21 today is day 28 based solely on the calendar.

text book incubation would be to stop turning, stop misting, set the egg on its side with the dip in the aircell facing up away from the bottom of the incubator.

now you are saying the aircell has not grown one bit from day 25. i am sure it has, but very slight.

candle the egg, trace the air cell and place back in the incubator.
do not turn
do not mist
do not touch again today
do not raise the humidity

tomorrow take it out and candle again looking for changes. trace the air cell if it has changed. look for internal pipping.

i think i have a few duck eggs about to hatch, i will candle and see if i can get you some example images to go by.

 

[igotgoosed]

YES!!!!! Please just follow this advice! Good luck with that baby

i am not answering because you were giving me the details I asked for. its not my job to look for multiple posts started about the same subject. if i ask questions you answered elsewhere, get over it and answer again. maybe i want them all in one place to go over it again. this is so i can give the best answer possible based on very limited info.

Boxer didnt tell you the egg was on day 25, they responded based on the picture YOU posted stating it was an image from day 25.

if you had read the hatching guide yu would have noticed it mentions marking the air cell to look for changes. even the best eyes wont notice the initial changes in an air cell.

3/17 makes today day 32

3/21 makes today day 28

so lets for funs sake say the goose didnt really sit the nest when the egg was first laid on 3/17, and that incubation didnt start until 3/21 when you set it in the incubator. now we will completely forget the 3/17 date from here on out, and not mention or concern ourselves with it.

so based on 3/21 today is day 28 based solely on the calendar.

text book incubation would be to stop turning, stop misting, set the egg on its side with the dip in the aircell facing up away from the bottom of the incubator.

now you are saying the aircell has not grown one bit from day 25. i am sure it has, but very slight.

candle the egg, trace the air cell and place back in the incubator.
do not turn
do not mist
do not touch again today
do not raise the humidity

tomorrow take it out and candle again looking for changes. trace the air cell if it has changed. look for internal pipping.

i think i have a few duck eggs about to hatch, i will candle and see if i can get you some example images to go by.

 

[Habibs Hens]

Celtic your a gem i was hoping to incubate some ducks soon

i promise i wont annoy you and would love your advise as i go along


good luck goosegg with the gosling i sincerily wish you all the best

 

[CelticOaksFarm]

Silver there are basics and the more you leave well enough alone the better the eggs are in most cases. Rare occasions humidity will be too high and end up with sticky gooey hatchlings. Too dry and they can become shrink wrapped. Everyone's homes and environment effect the incubation. So sometimes it takes a few failed or mostly failed hatches to figure it out. 


Goose here are a few pictures for you to refer to. We do indeed have ducklings hatching and some internally pipped so was able to get a picture of that for you.

Internally pipped duckling

Starting to push

Some of the currently set goose eggs

Showing the air cell lines.

This is a shipped egg and has more progress in air cell than others. This is typical when setting multiple eggs to have one have more rapid moisture loss and some be farther behind. This is one of many reasons we use multiple incubators including a 400 egg cabinet. This allows to rotate eggs into lockdown while others are still progressing to internally pip.

 

[CelticOaksFarm]

Oh and you will notice when looking for movement and or other details I will often leave the eggs in the cradle to candle. I keep extra racks in our incubator room so I can set goose eggs upright to candle and tale photos of. Then they lay back down again.

 

[Ceinwyn]

Can I ask a couple questions about this that I've been unable to find reading these posts?
1. What type of goose is this from?
2. How was the egg positioned during incubation? On its side, small end down, large end down?
If you ignore the size of the aircell, the embryo itself looks on target for day 25 in your photo.
The aircell is very small and even if you take into account that your humidity during incubation was too high it should be much larger this close to hatching.
The only time I've seen aircells this small it has been because of a malpositioned chick.
I have two incubating atm that are very similar one of which has externally pipped outside of the aircell area.
It makes it alot harder to know what is going on because you don't have any other eggs to compare this one to.
With others to compare you'd know instantly that the problem was with this egg and not with incubation conditions.
Without that comparison we are all left in the dark and guessing what might be wrong.
If this chick is malpositioned its not going to be an easy hatch and very likely won't make it.
Not trying to be harsh, just trying to prepare you for what might be happening.
I'd try to get your humidity down to at least 30% until you see evidence of internal pipping.
I'd continue misting and cooling once a day until you see evidence of internal pipping.
With an aircell this small its going to be very difficult for a chick to pip.
Keep a close eye for the chick trying to externally pip, this could happen at any time if your now on day 29.
Please use a pencil and mark the aircell so you can see if there are any changes. Small changes will let you know if your making progress or not and aren't going to be detectable just from memory.
Try not to be too hard on yourself.
Remember that sometimes chicks die under their mothers too and right now without your help this chick would have had no chance at all.
Good luck and keep us updated on how things are going.

 

[gooseegg]

thank you.

Oh and you will notice when looking for movement and or other details I will often leave the eggs in the cradle to candle. I keep extra racks in our incubator room so I can set goose eggs upright to candle and tale photos of. Then they lay back down again.

 

[gooseegg]

Sure.
Canadian Goose
small end down
One thing thats frustrating is keeping the humidity right. It will be on 40% and then spike way down to 15%. Then I add just a little bit of water and it rises really fast all the way to 60. I can't seem to get it right. Im sure what I am doing is not any help to the egg. From reading what you said it definatly might be positioned wrong. Seems like its "stuck" on one side with not very strong blood vains showing. I think its alive and moving but very little. It might be really weak. Seems like on day 20 it was all over the egg moving and kicking. Then all of the sudden little to no movement and positioned in the same spot. I did mark the air cell yesterday. I will mark again tonight. I have a feeling that its not going to make it. But we will see. I think there is deinately something wrong with it. But im no exert. Thank you so much.

Can I ask a couple questions about this that I've been unable to find reading these posts?
1. What type of goose is this from?
2. How was the egg positioned during incubation? On its side, small end down, large end down?
If you ignore the size of the aircell, the embryo itself looks on target for day 25 in your photo.
The aircell is very small and even if you take into account that your humidity during incubation was too high it should be much larger this close to hatching.
The only time I've seen aircells this small it has been because of a malpositioned chick.
I have two incubating atm that are very similar one of which has externally pipped outside of the aircell area.
It makes it alot harder to know what is going on because you don't have any other eggs to compare this one to.
With others to compare you'd know instantly that the problem was with this egg and not with incubation conditions.
Without that comparison we are all left in the dark and guessing what might be wrong.
If this chick is malpositioned its not going to be an easy hatch and very likely won't make it.
Not trying to be harsh, just trying to prepare you for what might be happening.
I'd try to get your humidity down to at least 30% until you see evidence of internal pipping.
I'd continue misting and cooling once a day until you see evidence of internal pipping.
With an aircell this small its going to be very difficult for a chick to pip.
Keep a close eye for the chick trying to externally pip, this could happen at any time if your now on day 29.
Please use a pencil and mark the aircell so you can see if there are any changes. Small changes will let you know if your making progress or not and aren't going to be detectable just from memory.
Try not to be too hard on yourself.
Remember that sometimes chicks die under their mothers too and right now without your help this chick would have had no chance at all.
Good luck and keep us updated on how things are going.